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On a Tesla its not a back door, its a front door, and its there by design. If you don't want a car that can accept some commands from the net, don't buy a Tesla

On a Tesla its not a back door, its a front door, and its there by design. If you don't want a car that can accept some commands from the net, don't buy a Tesla. But my point is that given they wanted those features, Tesla at least built them with security in mind.

gravypod 11y ago
I was very interested in the car up until they said that they would push out an "over the air update," please would you be able to point me were on their product page they said they could push software updates and remote commands to your device after you purchased it? I must have missed that. I originally thought the Tesla was a great car, but I at some point saw that you could remotely manipulate the car and there was no method of disabling it. I don't think anything of this nature is personally acceptably and I hate similar systems (see onstar).
- dangrossman 11y ago
  > please would you be able to point me were on their product page they said they could push software updates and remote commands to your device after you purchased it? "Model S periodically receives over the air software updates that add new features and refresh the touchscreen look and feel." "Autopilot features are progressively enabled over time with software updates. The current software is 7.0, adding automatic steering and parallel parking." https://www.teslamotors.com/models https://www.teslamotors.com/models "We may use personal information for a variety of reasons, such as those listed below: To provide service to your Tesla vehicle, including to contact you with service recommendations and to deliver over-the-air updates to your vehicle." https://www.teslamotors.com/about/legal https://www.teslamotors.com/about/legal "Tesla vehicles regularly receives over-the-air software updates that add new features and functionality. When an update is available, you’ll be notified on the center display with an option to install immediately, or schedule the installation for a later time." https://www.teslamotors.com/support/software-updates https://www.teslamotors.com/support/software-updates There's probably also purchase and service/warranty agreements you'd be signing prior to buying the car, but I don't own a Tesla so I don't know what's in those.
  - gravypod 11y ago
    Wow can't believe I missed that, it's crazy. Never going to be buying one of those then. Remote-brick-support is not a feature you want, and that goes double for any device that moves 100MPH with you inside of it.
    - codeulike 11y ago
      Wait 10 years, every car manufacturer will be doing this, otherwise they'll have no easy way to patch their software. BTW the Tesla wont update while you are driving it, lol.
      - raisedbyninjas 11y ago
        Until the FBI demands Tesla add this capability to immobilize terrorists.
        toomuchtodo 11y ago
        And I expect Tesla to react the same way Apple did. "GTFO"
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- mikeash 11y ago
  If you don't like remote access to your Tesla, then go into the settings, locate the "Remote Access" slider, and slide it from ON to OFF. If you don't want updates being applied to your car, don't press the INSTALL NOW button when the prompt appears, nor the SET FOR THIS TIME option to install it later. Where did you get this idea that remote access can't be disabled and that updates happen without user intervention?
  - gravypod 11y ago
    Has anyone actually check into if those settings could actually prevent Tesla from connecting to your car? I'm not concerned about that end API, I am concerned about the company being able to manipulate my car without my knowledge or permission.
    - mikeash 11y ago
      I don't know how one really could check that. At some point you have to trust the manufacturer to do what they say they do. Or don't, but in that case you can't really buy any car, since even if they don't advertise remote access, they could be lying.
      - gravypod 11y ago
        I don't think I'll ever trust the manufacturer. I always need to check for myself. There is a lot of cool stuff I have learned over the years about cars as a result.
        mikeash 11y ago
        Will you tear apart every future car looking for a hidden cellular module?
        teacup50 11y ago
        That's a lot easier than tearing apart every piece of software in a car to look for security vulnerabilities, intentional backdoors, and private information leaks.

gravypod 11y ago

I was very interested in the car up until they said that they would push out an "over the air update," please would you be able to point me were on their product page they said they could push software updates and remote commands to your device after you purchased it? I must have missed that. I originally thought the Tesla was a great car, but I at some point saw that you could remotely manipulate the car and there was no method of disabling it. I don't think anything of this nature is personally acceptably and I hate similar systems (see onstar).

dangrossman 11y ago
> please would you be able to point me were on their product page they said they could push software updates and remote commands to your device after you purchased it? "Model S periodically receives over the air software updates that add new features and refresh the touchscreen look and feel." "Autopilot features are progressively enabled over time with software updates. The current software is 7.0, adding automatic steering and parallel parking." https://www.teslamotors.com/models https://www.teslamotors.com/models "We may use personal information for a variety of reasons, such as those listed below: To provide service to your Tesla vehicle, including to contact you with service recommendations and to deliver over-the-air updates to your vehicle." https://www.teslamotors.com/about/legal https://www.teslamotors.com/about/legal "Tesla vehicles regularly receives over-the-air software updates that add new features and functionality. When an update is available, you’ll be notified on the center display with an option to install immediately, or schedule the installation for a later time." https://www.teslamotors.com/support/software-updates https://www.teslamotors.com/support/software-updates There's probably also purchase and service/warranty agreements you'd be signing prior to buying the car, but I don't own a Tesla so I don't know what's in those.
- gravypod 11y ago
  Wow can't believe I missed that, it's crazy. Never going to be buying one of those then. Remote-brick-support is not a feature you want, and that goes double for any device that moves 100MPH with you inside of it.
  - codeulike 11y ago
    Wait 10 years, every car manufacturer will be doing this, otherwise they'll have no easy way to patch their software. BTW the Tesla wont update while you are driving it, lol.
    - raisedbyninjas 11y ago
      Until the FBI demands Tesla add this capability to immobilize terrorists.
      - toomuchtodo 11y ago
        And I expect Tesla to react the same way Apple did. "GTFO"
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mikeash 11y ago
If you don't like remote access to your Tesla, then go into the settings, locate the "Remote Access" slider, and slide it from ON to OFF. If you don't want updates being applied to your car, don't press the INSTALL NOW button when the prompt appears, nor the SET FOR THIS TIME option to install it later. Where did you get this idea that remote access can't be disabled and that updates happen without user intervention?
- gravypod 11y ago
  Has anyone actually check into if those settings could actually prevent Tesla from connecting to your car? I'm not concerned about that end API, I am concerned about the company being able to manipulate my car without my knowledge or permission.
  - mikeash 11y ago
    I don't know how one really could check that. At some point you have to trust the manufacturer to do what they say they do. Or don't, but in that case you can't really buy any car, since even if they don't advertise remote access, they could be lying.
    - gravypod 11y ago
      I don't think I'll ever trust the manufacturer. I always need to check for myself. There is a lot of cool stuff I have learned over the years about cars as a result.
      - mikeash 11y ago
        Will you tear apart every future car looking for a hidden cellular module?
        teacup50 11y ago
        That's a lot easier than tearing apart every piece of software in a car to look for security vulnerabilities, intentional backdoors, and private information leaks.