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>This smacks of entitlement. Employees should feel entitled. They generate 99% of our GDP while 50% of that GDP goes to the top 1% of the population. The capit

>This smacks of entitlement. Employees should feel entitled. They generate 99% of our GDP while 50% of that GDP goes to the top 1% of the population. The capitalist employer / employee relationship is designed to screw over the employee. The word "entitlement" is a classic guilt tripping technique used by either employee or employer. Ignore it, because as an employee you will never get a high enough salary that can tip the scales. With 50% of the worlds wealth in the hands of the 1% (aka the employers), the metrics say one thing and one thing only: you are always entitled to more. >The employee won't necessarily leave, there are many reasons why they wouldn't. There's a whole world of jobs out there that aren't tech, these fields don't have the luxury of an expanding industry propping up salaries, providing a social ladder. If the employee isn't leaving and their isn't any growth, than the employee stays out of desperation or fear. The employee is essentially too afraid to take the risk to create growth. This is not the definition of employee satisfaction. Many employees are in this situation and many employees aren't satisfied because of it. It is very rare for a man to feel 100% satisfied without any continuous growth. Additionally, I am not talking about whether this situation is wrong or right, I am talking about what an employer needs to do to satisfy an employee. Whether the employer wants to do that is a different issue. >It would be wonderful to have the benefits of industry growth along with the security of one job for life, but we don't live in that world. Sure. I never said anything to the contrary. We don't live in an ideal world. But the context for my comment is "How to satisfy an employee" and I answer the question with what is required. The conversation is sidetracking from my initial comment about the true nature of employment satisfaction into a technical argument on why such an idealist endeavor isn't executed. So what? Do you agree with me on what makes an employee satisfied or do you have evidence/logic to falsify my reasoning?

vinceguidry 11y ago
You know what keeps real employees satisfied at their jobs, not just the entitled ones that expect the good life to just come to them? A sense of purpose. The feeling that what you do matters. The feeling that at the end of the day, you've accomplished something. Something worth giving 1/3 of your life towards. You're hiding your greed behind classist nonsense. You don't want a sense of purpose, you just want that paycheck to keep getting bigger. You are very probably already in the 1% of top income earners in the world. Being that that cutoff is $34,000/year, it's not hard. You should be focused less on fighting those with more than you, and more on working with them to do things that matter.
- crimsonalucard 11y ago
  Classist nonsense? Greed? "Smacks of Entitlement"? Your language has been negative and insulting and I am highly offended. Your attitude is against HN rules. >A sense of purpose. The feeling that what you do matters. The feeling that at the end of the day, you've accomplished something. Something worth giving 1/3 of your life towards. You truly think that's all people want? Most people with jobs do not work on something they consider meaningful. To do so means they ARE LUCKY. If that's the case why are they working? What is the factor that is satiating them when the job provides Zero meaning? Salary. You're essentially claiming most employees aren't "real" because they work for money instead of meaningful work. You know those quants at wall street who spend their days building algorithms that trade meaningless paper stocks that contribute nothing to GDP? They do it for half a million dollars annual salary, not for a job that matters. >You're hiding your greed behind classist nonsense. You don't want a sense of purpose, you just want that paycheck to keep getting bigger. I'm not even really hiding anything. All people want more money, including me. You're trying to paint me as some "greedy" person because I want more money when wanting more money is NORMAL. We are all imperfect creatures and we all want more money. To openly deny this desire means you are a creature of utter moral perfection and I question your honesty and the existence of such a creature. What I really want is this: More money AND a sense of purpose. Isn't that what everyone wants? All you want is a sense of purpose and minimum wage. Ok, good for you. >You are very probably already in the 1% of top income earners in the world. Being that that cutoff is $34,000/year, it's not hard. Your numbers are loaded like the rest of your argument. You need 500,000 annually to be in the top 1%: http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/10/19/what-percent-are-you/ http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/10/19/what-percent-are-y... >You should be focused less on fighting those with more than you, and more on working with them to do things that matter. Who are you to tell me what I should do or what I want? You do not control what satisfies an employee. Majority consensus defines this concept not you telling me what I should do. Also note that no employee ever really works "with" the employer as you put it. To do so means you get an equal piece of the pie. Hence the usual term is "Employees work FOR employers."
  - JoeAltmaier 11y ago
    I think that half-million is in the USA, not the world. Most people in the world make a few dollars a day.

vinceguidry 11y ago

You know what keeps real employees satisfied at their jobs, not just the entitled ones that expect the good life to just come to them? A sense of purpose. The feeling that what you do matters. The feeling that at the end of the day, you've accomplished something. Something worth giving 1/3 of your life towards. You're hiding your greed behind classist nonsense. You don't want a sense of purpose, you just want that paycheck to keep getting bigger. You are very probably already in the 1% of top income earners in the world. Being that that cutoff is $34,000/year, it's not hard. You should be focused less on fighting those with more than you, and more on working with them to do things that matter.

crimsonalucard 11y ago
Classist nonsense? Greed? "Smacks of Entitlement"? Your language has been negative and insulting and I am highly offended. Your attitude is against HN rules. >A sense of purpose. The feeling that what you do matters. The feeling that at the end of the day, you've accomplished something. Something worth giving 1/3 of your life towards. You truly think that's all people want? Most people with jobs do not work on something they consider meaningful. To do so means they ARE LUCKY. If that's the case why are they working? What is the factor that is satiating them when the job provides Zero meaning? Salary. You're essentially claiming most employees aren't "real" because they work for money instead of meaningful work. You know those quants at wall street who spend their days building algorithms that trade meaningless paper stocks that contribute nothing to GDP? They do it for half a million dollars annual salary, not for a job that matters. >You're hiding your greed behind classist nonsense. You don't want a sense of purpose, you just want that paycheck to keep getting bigger. I'm not even really hiding anything. All people want more money, including me. You're trying to paint me as some "greedy" person because I want more money when wanting more money is NORMAL. We are all imperfect creatures and we all want more money. To openly deny this desire means you are a creature of utter moral perfection and I question your honesty and the existence of such a creature. What I really want is this: More money AND a sense of purpose. Isn't that what everyone wants? All you want is a sense of purpose and minimum wage. Ok, good for you. >You are very probably already in the 1% of top income earners in the world. Being that that cutoff is $34,000/year, it's not hard. Your numbers are loaded like the rest of your argument. You need 500,000 annually to be in the top 1%: http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/10/19/what-percent-are-you/ http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/10/19/what-percent-are-y... >You should be focused less on fighting those with more than you, and more on working with them to do things that matter. Who are you to tell me what I should do or what I want? You do not control what satisfies an employee. Majority consensus defines this concept not you telling me what I should do. Also note that no employee ever really works "with" the employer as you put it. To do so means you get an equal piece of the pie. Hence the usual term is "Employees work FOR employers."
- JoeAltmaier 11y ago
  I think that half-million is in the USA, not the world. Most people in the world make a few dollars a day.