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That's kind of reductive, and I wonder if you read the article. The goose example is a long-term pairing and not just a roll in the hay. Some people might find

That's kind of reductive, and I wonder if you read the article. The goose example is a long-term pairing and not just a roll in the hay. Some people might find your comment a bit offensive.

kiproping 11y ago
If the facts don't happen to conform to the narrative, offense is meaningless.
- Kristine1975 11y ago
  I suspect it was not about facts, but about my choice of words. I was going for a Blue Velvet reference.
  - acqq 11y ago
    I've watched it as it premiered but I haven't remembered that line. I guess the concept of "anything that moves" wasn't shocking for my perception, the unexpectedly found cut ear in the grass, however...
    - Kristine1975 11y ago
      Dennis Hopper: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7NitmzzZX8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7NitmzzZX8
      - acqq 11y ago
        Looking at your HN handle, I guess you've discovered the film at the time of Twin Peaks, if it was at the time it was premiered, you've had a hard childhood.
acqq 11y ago
I have read it, it's almost exclusively about some geese, but the title is "So Many Animals." Actually "many" animals aren't choosy, having no problem jumping on the same sex or even corpses or non-living objects, and don't make long-term unbreakable bonds. There are enough links here in responses. Honestly, have you never had a male dog trying to copulate with your leg?
- nathanvanfleet 11y ago
  Pairing and bonding is different that rubbing your genitals up against something. Homosexuality is not defined as "ambivalence about what you have sex with"
  - acqq 11y ago
    Again, "bonding" in this kind of research absolutely doesn't mean the promiscuity is excluded. See my other comment for link. Note that you just discarded a honest sex act of a dog as just "rubbing genitals"? So when is a sex act sex act and when it's "just rubbing"? Is licking genitals, what dogs do, a sexual act? Was Clinton actually right, what he had with Monica was not even sexual?
- dsmithatx 11y ago
  > Honestly, have you never had a male dog trying to copulate with your leg? Having trained my four dogs I do not have this issue. I believe they are not copulating but, trying to establish dominance. I'm not sure that particular behavior is proof that they will hump anything. My friend had a female poodle who used to hump furry toys and she wasn't rubbing her parts on it. I think she was small and felt like a boss in doing it.
  - acqq 11y ago
    > Having trained my four dogs I do not have this issue. What happens when they aren't trained against? How far would they go? I claim the untreated and unneutered males would actually ejaculate.
HelloNurse 11y ago
Many geese are going to find it offensive too.
hartpuff 11y ago
Given that it's the most upvoted post, evidently quite a few people here agree with the extremely rational, thought-out and scientific argument that homosexuality is just a symptom of "fucking anything".
- acqq 11y ago
  No, the argument is "you can find any imaginable sexual behavior in the animal kingdom, and even what you would never imagine, don't project to animals human constructs."
  - hartpuff 11y ago
    First, thanks for replying, rather than simply downvoting. That isn't what the post says. The post says, literally: [Why Are So Many Animals Homosexual?] "Because some animals fuck anything that moves and doesn't". Meaning homosexuality is a symptom, consequence or by-product of "fucking anything". As to what you said: > you can find any imaginable sexual behavior in the animal kingdom, and even what you would never imagine, don't project to animals human constructs. If we can find any imaginable sexual behaviour (for example, homosexuality) in the animal kingdom, how is any imaginable sexual behaviour (for example, homosexuality) a "human construct"?
    - acqq 11y ago
      > That isn't what the post says. No, literally, you've cherry picked the part, the post is much more nuanced: "Because some animals fuck anything that moves and doesn't, including dead animals[1] and other species[2]. Not sure if applying human categories such as "homosexual" to non-human animals is helpful, though." > If we can find any imaginable sexual behaviour (for example, homosexuality) in the animal kingdom, how is any imaginable sexual behaviour (for example, homosexuality) a "human construct"? The behavior is of course not a human construct. Using animal behavior to prove any human practice is, because any practice can be supported that way. Just like the post you didn't quote fully also tries to suggest and exactly what I attempted to summarize, even if it can be better worded, for what I'm ready to apologize.
deelowe 11y ago
> Some people might find your comment a bit offensive. sigh..

That's kind of reductive, and I wonder if you read the article. The goose example is a long-term pairing and not just a roll in the hay. Some people might find your comment a bit offensive.

kiproping 11y ago

If the facts don't happen to conform to the narrative, offense is meaningless.

Kristine1975 11y ago
I suspect it was not about facts, but about my choice of words. I was going for a Blue Velvet reference.
- acqq 11y ago
  I've watched it as it premiered but I haven't remembered that line. I guess the concept of "anything that moves" wasn't shocking for my perception, the unexpectedly found cut ear in the grass, however...
  - Kristine1975 11y ago
    Dennis Hopper: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7NitmzzZX8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7NitmzzZX8
    - acqq 11y ago
      Looking at your HN handle, I guess you've discovered the film at the time of Twin Peaks, if it was at the time it was premiered, you've had a hard childhood.

acqq 11y ago

I have read it, it's almost exclusively about some geese, but the title is "So Many Animals." Actually "many" animals aren't choosy, having no problem jumping on the same sex or even corpses or non-living objects, and don't make long-term unbreakable bonds. There are enough links here in responses. Honestly, have you never had a male dog trying to copulate with your leg?

nathanvanfleet 11y ago
Pairing and bonding is different that rubbing your genitals up against something. Homosexuality is not defined as "ambivalence about what you have sex with"
- acqq 11y ago
  Again, "bonding" in this kind of research absolutely doesn't mean the promiscuity is excluded. See my other comment for link. Note that you just discarded a honest sex act of a dog as just "rubbing genitals"? So when is a sex act sex act and when it's "just rubbing"? Is licking genitals, what dogs do, a sexual act? Was Clinton actually right, what he had with Monica was not even sexual?
dsmithatx 11y ago
> Honestly, have you never had a male dog trying to copulate with your leg? Having trained my four dogs I do not have this issue. I believe they are not copulating but, trying to establish dominance. I'm not sure that particular behavior is proof that they will hump anything. My friend had a female poodle who used to hump furry toys and she wasn't rubbing her parts on it. I think she was small and felt like a boss in doing it.
- acqq 11y ago
  > Having trained my four dogs I do not have this issue. What happens when they aren't trained against? How far would they go? I claim the untreated and unneutered males would actually ejaculate.

HelloNurse 11y ago

Many geese are going to find it offensive too.

hartpuff 11y ago

Given that it's the most upvoted post, evidently quite a few people here agree with the extremely rational, thought-out and scientific argument that homosexuality is just a symptom of "fucking anything".

acqq 11y ago
No, the argument is "you can find any imaginable sexual behavior in the animal kingdom, and even what you would never imagine, don't project to animals human constructs."
- hartpuff 11y ago
  First, thanks for replying, rather than simply downvoting. That isn't what the post says. The post says, literally: [Why Are So Many Animals Homosexual?] "Because some animals fuck anything that moves and doesn't". Meaning homosexuality is a symptom, consequence or by-product of "fucking anything". As to what you said: > you can find any imaginable sexual behavior in the animal kingdom, and even what you would never imagine, don't project to animals human constructs. If we can find any imaginable sexual behaviour (for example, homosexuality) in the animal kingdom, how is any imaginable sexual behaviour (for example, homosexuality) a "human construct"?
  - acqq 11y ago
    > That isn't what the post says. No, literally, you've cherry picked the part, the post is much more nuanced: "Because some animals fuck anything that moves and doesn't, including dead animals[1] and other species[2]. Not sure if applying human categories such as "homosexual" to non-human animals is helpful, though." > If we can find any imaginable sexual behaviour (for example, homosexuality) in the animal kingdom, how is any imaginable sexual behaviour (for example, homosexuality) a "human construct"? The behavior is of course not a human construct. Using animal behavior to prove any human practice is, because any practice can be supported that way. Just like the post you didn't quote fully also tries to suggest and exactly what I attempted to summarize, even if it can be better worded, for what I'm ready to apologize.

deelowe 11y ago

> Some people might find your comment a bit offensive. sigh..