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This means nothing for me (and should also mean nothing for the targeted audience of the post). I've been constantly ignored from Stripe since they launched th

This means nothing for me (and should also mean nothing for the targeted audience of the post). I've been constantly ignored from Stripe since they launched their beta in Mexico (actually way before that, I subscribed years before, when Stripe launched in the US). I can't do business with them because I'm not part of their secret club, while at the same many businesses here somehow get access and start using them. That feels like some kind of unfair competition. I know, you are going to say, they are not obliged to provide service with you, but then, after reading the kind of PR they publish (like this one) you would feel like it, at least they should be morally obliged to stand by their word. "Stripe Atlas is invite-only to start. ... You can apply directly or get a referral from one of our partners." Oh ok, so another secret club, and this time the gatekeepers in Mexico are some guys named Antoni and Lelo de Larrea , which for you outside of Mexico, the Larrea family are a powerful group in Mexico that came to be through corruption, government favors and pretty much all the things you usually hate from Mexico. Remember when the miners in Chile were trapped and then rescued? The same thing happened at more or less the same time in Mexico, a lot of media coverage here in Mexico, the mining company owned by them, it was relatively cheap to rescue them but they decided not to do it, they let them die because it was not worth the money. And now I have to do business with those people if I want to process my payments? Yeah, thanks Stripe, but no thanks.

smarx007 11y ago
Nothing personal, just business: when they launch a private beta, they want to select the businesses with most cash flow. I believe this is connected to the fact many things may be manually reviewed at a time. And how did you arrive at a conclusion that de Larrea are involved in Atlas? A quick search didn't show anything relevant.
- yeahrightfam 11y ago
  Check out their only Mexican partner.
tmfrancis 11y ago
The whole purpose of Stripe is to make basic tools for starting an internet business more broadly available and without barriers. The core of our strategy is to eliminate gatekeepers and secret clubs. We’re openly available in 18 countries today (you can see the complete list stripe.com/global) and hundreds of thousands of businesses use Stripe after openly signing up. Because businesses’ livelihoods and revenue are at stake, we start new products and countries in an invite-only beta so that we can fully test things and fine-tune the details before rolling them out more broadly. We don’t think it’d be responsible to try to maximize the initial product experience at the expense of doing’s what’s best for the businesses who’ll build on it. So with Atlas (and in Mexico), we’re starting in invite-only mode with the goal of expanding access (and making it openly available!) as soon as we can. I'm sorry we weren't able to get you signed up sooner, but we’d love to have you on board with the beta in Mexico. If you drop me an email (tmf@stripe.com) we’ll send you an invite.
- yeahrightfam 11y ago
  "The whole purpose of Stripe is to make basic tools for starting an internet business more broadly available and without barriers." Well, I didn't have to publicly shame PayPal and wait for years to get invited to use their platform. So I guess they fill better the whole purpose of your company. Stripe was appealing to me (and a whole lot of other developers) because of the developer experience you introduced back then, you kind of felt that Stripe was cool and was made with you in mind. After this experience I felt betrayed (and many others I know). Taking a step back an evaluating all the choices I currently have Stripe is the most expensive one (no volume discounts). PayPal improved their APIs and are now easier to use, and the things you can implement with them are amazing (chained payments, subscriptions, reserved charges, preauthorizations, etc...) I know you can do some of those things with Stripe too, but not all. And your newer product has the amazing feature of being taxed on another country and then deal with double taxation schemes and all the fiscal issues that come attached? No thanks Stripe, you've lost your cool.
  - zrail 11y ago
    > no volume discounts This is false. They have volume pricing breaks starting at 80k USD, 30k GBP, 30k EUR, etc processed. Check your country's pricing page. US example: https://stripe.com/us/pricing https://stripe.com/us/pricing

smarx007 11y ago

Nothing personal, just business: when they launch a private beta, they want to select the businesses with most cash flow. I believe this is connected to the fact many things may be manually reviewed at a time. And how did you arrive at a conclusion that de Larrea are involved in Atlas? A quick search didn't show anything relevant.

yeahrightfam 11y ago
Check out their only Mexican partner.

tmfrancis 11y ago

The whole purpose of Stripe is to make basic tools for starting an internet business more broadly available and without barriers. The core of our strategy is to eliminate gatekeepers and secret clubs. We’re openly available in 18 countries today (you can see the complete list stripe.com/global) and hundreds of thousands of businesses use Stripe after openly signing up. Because businesses’ livelihoods and revenue are at stake, we start new products and countries in an invite-only beta so that we can fully test things and fine-tune the details before rolling them out more broadly. We don’t think it’d be responsible to try to maximize the initial product experience at the expense of doing’s what’s best for the businesses who’ll build on it. So with Atlas (and in Mexico), we’re starting in invite-only mode with the goal of expanding access (and making it openly available!) as soon as we can. I'm sorry we weren't able to get you signed up sooner, but we’d love to have you on board with the beta in Mexico. If you drop me an email (tmf@stripe.com) we’ll send you an invite.

yeahrightfam 11y ago
"The whole purpose of Stripe is to make basic tools for starting an internet business more broadly available and without barriers." Well, I didn't have to publicly shame PayPal and wait for years to get invited to use their platform. So I guess they fill better the whole purpose of your company. Stripe was appealing to me (and a whole lot of other developers) because of the developer experience you introduced back then, you kind of felt that Stripe was cool and was made with you in mind. After this experience I felt betrayed (and many others I know). Taking a step back an evaluating all the choices I currently have Stripe is the most expensive one (no volume discounts). PayPal improved their APIs and are now easier to use, and the things you can implement with them are amazing (chained payments, subscriptions, reserved charges, preauthorizations, etc...) I know you can do some of those things with Stripe too, but not all. And your newer product has the amazing feature of being taxed on another country and then deal with double taxation schemes and all the fiscal issues that come attached? No thanks Stripe, you've lost your cool.
- zrail 11y ago
  > no volume discounts This is false. They have volume pricing breaks starting at 80k USD, 30k GBP, 30k EUR, etc processed. Check your country's pricing page. US example: https://stripe.com/us/pricing https://stripe.com/us/pricing