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Trump = Establishment. He built his business working with and as part of a business and political system that is very much pay to play, and he acknowledges this

by rrggrr 11y ago

Trump = Establishment. He built his business working with and as part of a business and political system that is very much pay to play, and he acknowledges this. People are confusing political rhetoric with cold hard reality. The three likely outcomes of a Trump Presidency: (1) He plays along - most likely. (2) Continued gridlock. (3) He spends four years trying to steamroll Congress by vilifying his opponents, scapegoating and executive order abuse - causing a political and constitutional crisis with vague similarities to 1938 Germany. I'm ambivalent about all the candidates, just mainly concerned about demagoguery at time of economic and social upheaval.

m52go 11y ago
I don't know about that. If there's anyone who's shown more willingness to challenge the status quo, it's him. In spite of all his faults, and considering that much of his appeal is his (apparent) contrarian attitude, I most expect him to buck "establishment" expectations if elected. Of course, I'm not holding my breath. Successful politicians are wizards at portraying 1 thing and doing another, so it wouldn't surprise me if you're right. I'm just saying I think there's a slightly bigger chance that he's someone to buck that trend.
protomyth 11y ago
> (1) He plays along - most likely. (2) Continued gridlock. (3) He spends four years trying to steamroll Congress by vilifying his opponents, scapegoating and executive order abuse And how would that be any different from the last 7 years? The only real difference I can see is the side the press will be on. The thought process that this is a new thing is ignoring the last couple of election cycles.
- rrggrr 11y ago
  Correct. Just as the founders intended... slow, gradual changes.
AJ007 11y ago
Whoever wins, the White House and government agencies will continue to be staffed and run by people with previous experience. Trump is a wildcard, for everyone, supporting him or not. His rhetoric panders towards certain groups and is worth an enormous amount of money in free press coverage. The things candidates say before and after being elected are not particularly credible but I suspect this is even less so. The track record isn't there, the Republicans certainly have no idea what he will do. If Trump was elected, the US government would still have to be filled with humans, and for the most part these will not be the type of people who are responding positively to him right now. As a side note, I don't see any problem with "gridlock." Every time a bill passes in to law, we get 1,000+ pages of new rules, exemptions, loopholes, and special favors. An acceleration of this would not be particularly desirable.
clevernickname 11y ago
He would be the commander in chief, get to appoint diplomats, financial officers, and possibly up to 4 supreme court justices (they're getting pretty old...), and would have the power to sign executive orders (which he has said that he will not do after criticizing Obama for forcing so many executive orders as of late, though who knows if he will stay true to that). Some of his goals include cooperating with Russia to fight ISIS in Syria, cooperating with China to put North Korea in its place, negotiating better trade deals with China, Japan, and Mexico, rejecting the TPP, and strengthening the border between Mexico and the US. It seems to me that he could at least partially accomplish many of those goals with just the power vested in him and his cabinet.

by rrggrr 11y ago

m52go 11y ago

I don't know about that. If there's anyone who's shown more willingness to challenge the status quo, it's him. In spite of all his faults, and considering that much of his appeal is his (apparent) contrarian attitude, I most expect him to buck "establishment" expectations if elected. Of course, I'm not holding my breath. Successful politicians are wizards at portraying 1 thing and doing another, so it wouldn't surprise me if you're right. I'm just saying I think there's a slightly bigger chance that he's someone to buck that trend.

protomyth 11y ago

> (1) He plays along - most likely. (2) Continued gridlock. (3) He spends four years trying to steamroll Congress by vilifying his opponents, scapegoating and executive order abuse And how would that be any different from the last 7 years? The only real difference I can see is the side the press will be on. The thought process that this is a new thing is ignoring the last couple of election cycles.

rrggrr 11y ago
Correct. Just as the founders intended... slow, gradual changes.

AJ007 11y ago

Whoever wins, the White House and government agencies will continue to be staffed and run by people with previous experience. Trump is a wildcard, for everyone, supporting him or not. His rhetoric panders towards certain groups and is worth an enormous amount of money in free press coverage. The things candidates say before and after being elected are not particularly credible but I suspect this is even less so. The track record isn't there, the Republicans certainly have no idea what he will do. If Trump was elected, the US government would still have to be filled with humans, and for the most part these will not be the type of people who are responding positively to him right now. As a side note, I don't see any problem with "gridlock." Every time a bill passes in to law, we get 1,000+ pages of new rules, exemptions, loopholes, and special favors. An acceleration of this would not be particularly desirable.

clevernickname 11y ago

He would be the commander in chief, get to appoint diplomats, financial officers, and possibly up to 4 supreme court justices (they're getting pretty old...), and would have the power to sign executive orders (which he has said that he will not do after criticizing Obama for forcing so many executive orders as of late, though who knows if he will stay true to that). Some of his goals include cooperating with Russia to fight ISIS in Syria, cooperating with China to put North Korea in its place, negotiating better trade deals with China, Japan, and Mexico, rejecting the TPP, and strengthening the border between Mexico and the US. It seems to me that he could at least partially accomplish many of those goals with just the power vested in him and his cabinet.