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fork + 3x(fork+exec) is going to be cheaper than 4x(fork+exec), especially if cat isn't resident. The point is a logical improvement anyway (not burying the in

by blasdel 17y ago

fork + 3x(fork+exec) is going to be cheaper than 4x(fork+exec), especially if cat isn't resident. The point is a logical improvement anyway (not burying the input argument near the beginning). I'm kind of surprised that the bash folks haven't turned cat into a builtin like they did with time and some of the other coreutils. It's too bad it's about 30 years too late to stem the tide of shit like cat -v: http://harmful.cat-v.org/cat-v/ http://harmful.cat-v.org/cat-v/

pyre 17y ago
By the reasoning in your link, your suggestion of bash making 'cat' one of the built-in commands is the "cancer that's bloating UNIX."
- blasdel 17y ago
  The shell has always been the kitchen sink full of glue holding the whole thing together. There have always been builtins: language control structures, job control, etc. -- there are some things you can't trust others not to fuck up, and where the coupling would just get ridiculous. Here's cat as a pure sh builtin: shcat { for arg in "$@"; do exec 3<>"$arg" while read line <&3; do echo "$line" done exec 3>&- done } The shell by it's very nature can't just do exactly one task well, it's a programmable environment for living in. The cancer that's bloating UNIX was the way that the BSD and especially the GNU crews took simple tools and cross-pollinated them randomly with stupid shit. Try running "/bin/true --help" on a GNU system sometime -- there's a damn good reason why "your shell may have its own version of true".
  - pyre 17y ago
    % /bin/true --help Usage: /bin/true [ignored command line arguments] or: /bin/true OPTION Exit with a status code indicating success. --help display this help and exit --version output version information and exit NOTE: your shell may have its own version of true, which usually supersedes the version described here. Please refer to your shell's documentation for details about the options it supports. Report bugs to <bug-coreutils@gnu.org>. I wouldn't necessarily call that 'bloated' unless you feel that any program that uses one bit more than absolutely necessary should be scrapped as 'bloated beyond belief.' > there's a damn good reason why "your shell may have its own version of true". Because why exactly?

by blasdel 17y ago

pyre 17y ago

By the reasoning in your link, your suggestion of bash making 'cat' one of the built-in commands is the "cancer that's bloating UNIX."

blasdel 17y ago
The shell has always been the kitchen sink full of glue holding the whole thing together. There have always been builtins: language control structures, job control, etc. -- there are some things you can't trust others not to fuck up, and where the coupling would just get ridiculous. Here's cat as a pure sh builtin: shcat { for arg in "$@"; do exec 3<>"$arg" while read line <&3; do echo "$line" done exec 3>&- done } The shell by it's very nature can't just do exactly one task well, it's a programmable environment for living in. The cancer that's bloating UNIX was the way that the BSD and especially the GNU crews took simple tools and cross-pollinated them randomly with stupid shit. Try running "/bin/true --help" on a GNU system sometime -- there's a damn good reason why "your shell may have its own version of true".
- pyre 17y ago
  % /bin/true --help Usage: /bin/true [ignored command line arguments] or: /bin/true OPTION Exit with a status code indicating success. --help display this help and exit --version output version information and exit NOTE: your shell may have its own version of true, which usually supersedes the version described here. Please refer to your shell's documentation for details about the options it supports. Report bugs to <bug-coreutils@gnu.org>. I wouldn't necessarily call that 'bloated' unless you feel that any program that uses one bit more than absolutely necessary should be scrapped as 'bloated beyond belief.' > there's a damn good reason why "your shell may have its own version of true". Because why exactly?