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Sure, spoken language is fairly raw unprocessed output, but what I have a problem with, speaking with the general population, is that when they're asked to conf

by oxplot 11y ago

Sure, spoken language is fairly raw unprocessed output, but what I have a problem with, speaking with the general population, is that when they're asked to confirm/rephrase/clarify their imprecise output, they don't think of it as such. That I find unbearable. I say a lot of illogical/emotional things too, but I'm the first to notice it and correct it.

gkya 11y ago
People have similar, but different mental capabilities, and different attitude. I have a superficial knowledge of linguistics and philosophy of language, and am also interested in philosophy, history and literature, so I'll be more able at forming rather more coherent, more logical and lenghtier sentences, but not everybody is like me, and they won't be able to phrase complex and/or ambiguous concepts as clearly as I do. What I do is that I adjust myself to my interlocutor(s), I try to be comprehensible and relevant to him, from whatever background he shall be. Because however much I know a language, and however much I be good at speaking it, if I cannot use it for its very fundamental purpose of communication, then all my knowledge and all my quality is useless: better knowledge of a language should expand the amount of people I can communicate to, not decrease.
- oxplot 11y ago
  > better knowledge of a language should expand the amount of people I can communicate to, not decrease I actually think the opposite: the more knowledgeable you are in any area, the higher your standards and your interest in details, things that people with lower level of knowledge are not appreciative of and hence not interested in. As for case of language, I wasn't referring to everyday casual chit chat at lunch or at a party but half serious discussion with people about a mutual area of interest.
  - gkya 11y ago
    Discussions with people with lower level of knowledge is an educating thing: you have to communicate your knowledge in a simpler, more open way. It gives you the ability to better understand what you know, for one can know things without understanding them.
CaptSpify 11y ago
I think feel I the same way sometimes. I tend to "think out loud" and say something when I've given it <5 seconds thought. I think some people feel I'm fully behind my idea, just because I've voiced it, using less-than thoughtfull wording. It seems to throw them off when I immediately switch sides, saying why my idea is good, and also bad.

by oxplot 11y ago

gkya 11y ago

People have similar, but different mental capabilities, and different attitude. I have a superficial knowledge of linguistics and philosophy of language, and am also interested in philosophy, history and literature, so I'll be more able at forming rather more coherent, more logical and lenghtier sentences, but not everybody is like me, and they won't be able to phrase complex and/or ambiguous concepts as clearly as I do. What I do is that I adjust myself to my interlocutor(s), I try to be comprehensible and relevant to him, from whatever background he shall be. Because however much I know a language, and however much I be good at speaking it, if I cannot use it for its very fundamental purpose of communication, then all my knowledge and all my quality is useless: better knowledge of a language should expand the amount of people I can communicate to, not decrease.

oxplot 11y ago
> better knowledge of a language should expand the amount of people I can communicate to, not decrease I actually think the opposite: the more knowledgeable you are in any area, the higher your standards and your interest in details, things that people with lower level of knowledge are not appreciative of and hence not interested in. As for case of language, I wasn't referring to everyday casual chit chat at lunch or at a party but half serious discussion with people about a mutual area of interest.
- gkya 11y ago
  Discussions with people with lower level of knowledge is an educating thing: you have to communicate your knowledge in a simpler, more open way. It gives you the ability to better understand what you know, for one can know things without understanding them.

CaptSpify 11y ago

I think feel I the same way sometimes. I tend to "think out loud" and say something when I've given it <5 seconds thought. I think some people feel I'm fully behind my idea, just because I've voiced it, using less-than thoughtfull wording. It seems to throw them off when I immediately switch sides, saying why my idea is good, and also bad.