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> World fertility rate is still somewhat above replacement, World fertility is only above replacement because of a few hot spots that have high fertility. As t
by NoMoreNicksLeft 11y ago
> World fertility rate is still somewhat above replacement,
World fertility is only above replacement because of a few hot spots that have high fertility. As those cultures are converted to something more western-looking, fertility plummets.
You're postulating that, somehow, this will reverse and those places will convert the west to something not-so-western-looking, or that they'll fail to convert.
Both of these seem very unlikely.
Do you see any trends or evidence that either of those will come to pass?
> Low fertility doesn't lead to extinction in a few hundred years. Let's say the average is one child per woman (even places like Japan are above this), then it still takes 23 generations to reduce the global population to a thousand people, and a further ten generations to reduce to one.
It's a compounding effect. When there are only one thousand people, you still expect those who grew up in such an environment will still somehow manage a fertility rate of 1.0?
What will allow you to hit 1.0 and plateau at that for 33 generations?
> Nobody really understands why fertility rates drop with wealth,
That's easy to understand. As individuals can be mentally ill, so can large groups of people be so collectively. And collectively, the world is neurotic.
> so it's not weird to think that further changes could
Yes, miracles will happen.
- mikeash 11y ago"When there are only one thousand people, you still expect those who grew up in such an environment will still somehow manage a fertility rate of 1.0?" OK, so you're going to declare that not only will fertility drop way lower than it is today, but that even in a hypothetical future where overpopulation is not a problem it must continue to drop. And somehow my ideas are "miracles" but your ideas are obviously true. I get the impression you're not actually open to ideas on this.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 11y ago> but that even in a hypothetical future where overpopulation is not a problem it must continue to drop. This supposes that population is currently dropping because of overpopulation. I see no evidence of that. China is your best candidate as a counterexample, and it falls flat. They've rescinded the one child policy. If you are right, fertility should climb there... but the initial indications are that a people trained to be low-fertility continue to be low-fertility even after the training stops. I'm not exactly shocked.