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I'm against censoring. What I read here: >>hatte ... von einem "lebensbejahenden afrikanischen Ausbreitungstyp" gesprochen - was von Experten als rassistisch ge

I'm against censoring. What I read here: >>hatte ... von einem "lebensbejahenden afrikanischen Ausbreitungstyp" gesprochen - was von Experten als rassistisch gewertet worden war<< [1] should not be compared with how the term 'racist' has e.g. been used in the Third Reich. As I understand, it's a scientific method to generalize and the race is a factor (among many others) and one should be allowed to say such things without loosing the job. [1] http://www.focus.de/politik/videos/er-hatte-sport-und-geschichte-unterrichtet-nach-hetzreden-hessen-will-afd-mann-hoecke-nicht-mehr-in-den-schuldienst-lassen_id_5216193.html http://www.focus.de/politik/videos/er-hatte-sport-und-geschi...

chappi42 11y ago
HN doesn't disappoint ;-) knew already at writing time that this will deplete karma. (Nevermind, I have enough :-)
dddddointer 11y ago
can you translate this phrase? google translate produces "life-affirming African propagation type", which doesn't have any clear meaning...
- Xylakant 11y ago
  The intended and implied meaning "the African race has more sex and reproduces faster"
Xylakant 11y ago
You're mistaken. There's no censoring going on at all. Höcke is free to say whatever he wants in public. He even gets more publicity and reach than most people. However, freedom of speech doesn't mean that statements are without consequence. He already collected a warning for voicing extreme right tendencies earlier (before the AFD even existed) and well, now there's consequences. He's a history teacher and fringe right wing people are just the kind of history teachers that are unfit for the job. (fringe left-wing nutcases as well).
- chappi42 11y ago
  You are wrong. Censoring [1] is exactly what I said, "the purpose of suppressing parts deemed objectionable on moral, political, military, or other grounds". He is being threatened to lose his job, this is suppression. You don't have to agree with him but one should be careful with 'fringe right wing' claims and who is or is not fit for a job. [1] http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/censoring http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/censoring
  - Xylakant 11y ago
    sorry, he leads a party that openly called for shooting children at the border. He's fringe (or I hope so, because if he isn't, I need to emigrate)
    - ptaipale 11y ago
      > he leads a party that openly called for shooting children at the border. My understanding is that 1) he is not leading the party, he is one of the speakers for the party in the local (state) assembly. And I understand he is actually repeatedly clashing with the actual AfD leadership. 2) any comments about "shooting children" or even generally changing rules of engagement regarding firearms are not, as far as I know, an AfD party position, as the party leader responds in [0] 3) I understood the comments about using firearms were for a context where authorities are under a violent attack when performing their duties. Specifically, did they mention children? I didn't think so, but I could be mistaken. I don't need to like what the "fringe" says, but I wouldn't like to make it bigger than it is. Because precisely this kind of exaggeration is what is undermining the credibility of legitimate criticism of AfD (the most devastating kind being, "hey, what would you really do instead?" because that is a question that is very hard to answer.) Its supporters see the opponents as just twisting the truth. (I'm not experiencing this in Germany, but there are very similar discussions going on here in the Nordic countries: enormous straw men constructions are built all the time around criticism of immigration policies, and people are really quite fed up with that. If you keep repeating to people that they are racists, they may eventually start to believe you. In Sweden, the political consensus to "exclude the extreme right fringe from politics" seems to be resulting in the "extreme right fringe" now having the second largest electoral support of all parties [1], and continuing to grow. Once they go near 50 % it's going to be hard to talk about "fringe".) [0] http://www.dw.com/en/german-right-leaning-afd-leader-calls-for-police-right-to-shoot-at-refugees/a-19013137 http://www.dw.com/en/german-right-leaning-afd-leader-calls-f... [1] http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article22117739.ab http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article22117739.ab

chappi42 11y ago

HN doesn't disappoint ;-) knew already at writing time that this will deplete karma. (Nevermind, I have enough :-)

dddddointer 11y ago

can you translate this phrase? google translate produces "life-affirming African propagation type", which doesn't have any clear meaning...

Xylakant 11y ago
The intended and implied meaning "the African race has more sex and reproduces faster"

Xylakant 11y ago

You're mistaken. There's no censoring going on at all. Höcke is free to say whatever he wants in public. He even gets more publicity and reach than most people. However, freedom of speech doesn't mean that statements are without consequence. He already collected a warning for voicing extreme right tendencies earlier (before the AFD even existed) and well, now there's consequences. He's a history teacher and fringe right wing people are just the kind of history teachers that are unfit for the job. (fringe left-wing nutcases as well).

chappi42 11y ago
You are wrong. Censoring [1] is exactly what I said, "the purpose of suppressing parts deemed objectionable on moral, political, military, or other grounds". He is being threatened to lose his job, this is suppression. You don't have to agree with him but one should be careful with 'fringe right wing' claims and who is or is not fit for a job. [1] http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/censoring http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/censoring
- Xylakant 11y ago
  sorry, he leads a party that openly called for shooting children at the border. He's fringe (or I hope so, because if he isn't, I need to emigrate)
  - ptaipale 11y ago
    > he leads a party that openly called for shooting children at the border. My understanding is that 1) he is not leading the party, he is one of the speakers for the party in the local (state) assembly. And I understand he is actually repeatedly clashing with the actual AfD leadership. 2) any comments about "shooting children" or even generally changing rules of engagement regarding firearms are not, as far as I know, an AfD party position, as the party leader responds in [0] 3) I understood the comments about using firearms were for a context where authorities are under a violent attack when performing their duties. Specifically, did they mention children? I didn't think so, but I could be mistaken. I don't need to like what the "fringe" says, but I wouldn't like to make it bigger than it is. Because precisely this kind of exaggeration is what is undermining the credibility of legitimate criticism of AfD (the most devastating kind being, "hey, what would you really do instead?" because that is a question that is very hard to answer.) Its supporters see the opponents as just twisting the truth. (I'm not experiencing this in Germany, but there are very similar discussions going on here in the Nordic countries: enormous straw men constructions are built all the time around criticism of immigration policies, and people are really quite fed up with that. If you keep repeating to people that they are racists, they may eventually start to believe you. In Sweden, the political consensus to "exclude the extreme right fringe from politics" seems to be resulting in the "extreme right fringe" now having the second largest electoral support of all parties [1], and continuing to grow. Once they go near 50 % it's going to be hard to talk about "fringe".) [0] http://www.dw.com/en/german-right-leaning-afd-leader-calls-for-police-right-to-shoot-at-refugees/a-19013137 http://www.dw.com/en/german-right-leaning-afd-leader-calls-f... [1] http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article22117739.ab http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article22117739.ab