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> What you so maturely call "pussy whipped" See now there you go. I say "back in the day this would be called..." and automatically I get downvoted as if that

by gist 11y ago

> What you so maturely call "pussy whipped" See now there you go. I say "back in the day this would be called..." and automatically I get downvoted as if that is what I call it (either now or back in the day). And yes I purposely said it in a way knowing that this might be the reaction (as an experiment). In typical fashion, pitchforks for free speech. Walking on HN eggshells.

mikestew 11y ago
Ah, the ol' "I was just trolling" defense. Didn't work at Nuremberg...oh, sorry, wrong analogy. Now quit whining and take your down votes like the bastion of free speech that you are.
- gist 11y ago
  Well I am in luck because I also don't need my wife's approval to use HN karma points. Besides, they are close to worthless! (Although I've often wondered if there would be a secondary market for people with high karma I have to admit..)
  - dang 11y ago
    Please don't post unsubstantive comments to HN.
    - gist 11y ago
      I don't feel that that's an unsubstantive comment. Because it seems to me that if people value karma points, and some people certainly do, then there would be a market whereby someone would pay a dollar amount to purchase a HN account of somebody with high karma.
hluska 11y ago
See now there you go. Being offensive on purpose, even claiming the guise of an experiment, and still claiming 'pitchforks for free speech'. Phrases like 'pussy whipped' have absolutely no place in a civilized society or on a civilized message board. They never have and they never will.
- gist 11y ago
  > Being offensive on purpose, even claiming the guise of an experiment Once again wrong. Not what I meant. By not padding it in an apologetic way, [1] I knew it would get a certain reaction. In my book, nothing wrong with that. I am tired of people always having to apologize when no apology is necessary. Also consider that people of different age groups who were raised differently might see things differently as well and that is ok. [1] Meaning "I apologize deeply if anyone finds this offensive but.."
  - hluska 11y ago
    No, it is not okay. The phrase 'pussy whipped' has no place in civilized discourse. It is wrong and it has always been wrong. Even if you pad it in an apologetic way, it is wrong. In a civilized society, we have respect for our significant others and run all major decisions by them. Basic human respect does not deserve to be disparaged.
    - Pinatubo 11y ago
      tips fedora
  - wpietri 11y ago
    > In my book, nothing wrong with that. Your book applies to what you do alone on your property. When you act in a social context, other people's books also matter. That your philosophy treats other people's opinions as somehow irrelevant to your interactions with them is definitely of a piece with your "pussy whipped" framing. Note also that you're creating a false choice between a disingenuous "apology" and speaking the truth. A fake apology isn't actually respectful of other people; it's just a way to camouflage your disrespect. The choice you're eliding is for you to actually understand why people object to that phrase and respect their views, whether or not you agree with them. The reason you don't, of course, is because you'd sound ridiculous if you actually expanded your implicit views. E.g.: "I understand that most people today see men and women as equals, and I respect their right to believe it. But personally I disagree, and I think their mistake is not seeing that things were better back in the day when men had both legal and social dominance such that wives had neither control over family assets nor even the expectation that they might have a voice in the decision. I hope everyone comes to see the merit in my views, and that we together return to the legal and social structures that held prior to the adoption of the 19th amendment."

by gist 11y ago

mikestew 11y ago

Ah, the ol' "I was just trolling" defense. Didn't work at Nuremberg...oh, sorry, wrong analogy. Now quit whining and take your down votes like the bastion of free speech that you are.

gist 11y ago
Well I am in luck because I also don't need my wife's approval to use HN karma points. Besides, they are close to worthless! (Although I've often wondered if there would be a secondary market for people with high karma I have to admit..)
- dang 11y ago
  Please don't post unsubstantive comments to HN.
  - gist 11y ago
    I don't feel that that's an unsubstantive comment. Because it seems to me that if people value karma points, and some people certainly do, then there would be a market whereby someone would pay a dollar amount to purchase a HN account of somebody with high karma.

hluska 11y ago

See now there you go. Being offensive on purpose, even claiming the guise of an experiment, and still claiming 'pitchforks for free speech'. Phrases like 'pussy whipped' have absolutely no place in a civilized society or on a civilized message board. They never have and they never will.

gist 11y ago
> Being offensive on purpose, even claiming the guise of an experiment Once again wrong. Not what I meant. By not padding it in an apologetic way, [1] I knew it would get a certain reaction. In my book, nothing wrong with that. I am tired of people always having to apologize when no apology is necessary. Also consider that people of different age groups who were raised differently might see things differently as well and that is ok. [1] Meaning "I apologize deeply if anyone finds this offensive but.."
- hluska 11y ago
  No, it is not okay. The phrase 'pussy whipped' has no place in civilized discourse. It is wrong and it has always been wrong. Even if you pad it in an apologetic way, it is wrong. In a civilized society, we have respect for our significant others and run all major decisions by them. Basic human respect does not deserve to be disparaged.
  - Pinatubo 11y ago
    tips fedora
- wpietri 11y ago
  > In my book, nothing wrong with that. Your book applies to what you do alone on your property. When you act in a social context, other people's books also matter. That your philosophy treats other people's opinions as somehow irrelevant to your interactions with them is definitely of a piece with your "pussy whipped" framing. Note also that you're creating a false choice between a disingenuous "apology" and speaking the truth. A fake apology isn't actually respectful of other people; it's just a way to camouflage your disrespect. The choice you're eliding is for you to actually understand why people object to that phrase and respect their views, whether or not you agree with them. The reason you don't, of course, is because you'd sound ridiculous if you actually expanded your implicit views. E.g.: "I understand that most people today see men and women as equals, and I respect their right to believe it. But personally I disagree, and I think their mistake is not seeing that things were better back in the day when men had both legal and social dominance such that wives had neither control over family assets nor even the expectation that they might have a voice in the decision. I hope everyone comes to see the merit in my views, and that we together return to the legal and social structures that held prior to the adoption of the 19th amendment."