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Today it may be good fun to watch people with a differing opinion get arrested and harassed as a part of "justice" but tomorrow when they decide you dont need e

Today it may be good fun to watch people with a differing opinion get arrested and harassed as a part of "justice" but tomorrow when they decide you dont need encryption and youre the one being targeted it wont be so funny.

germanier 11y ago
You are not arrested for "having an opinion" but if you call for violence, deny the holocaust or endorse genocide. Those are not opinions. Nobody moves the definition every day and it has nothing to do with encryption nor can those laws ever used against encryption by definition as they all include doing something in public. Probably everybody who knows the German society will know whether something is "just an opinion" or violates one of those laws just be looking at most statements. It's one of those "I know when I see it" definitions that is shared among Germans. That being said courts have created very narrow and clear precedent on those laws.
throwaway21816 11y ago
>You are not arrested for "having an opinion" but if you call for violence, deny the holocaust or endorse genocide. Those are not opinions. Those are all opinions. An opinion is a view or judgement on a given item. Just because they are opinions you do not like doesn't make them anything more than opinions. >Nobody moves the definition every day and it has nothing to do with encryption nor can those laws ever used against encryption by definition as they all include doing something in public. Nobody moves to definition? Talk to me about the use of spyware on citizens, I'm pretty sure that definition just got moved. >Probably everybody who knows the German society will know whether something is "just an opinion" or violates one of those laws just be looking at most statements. It's one of those "I know when I see it" definitions that is shared among Germans. That being said courts have created very narrow and clear precedent on those laws. Well if the state say so then it has to be okay right?
- germanier 11y ago
  The thing is, this discussion is really off-topic. This spyware has nothing to do with hate-speech laws. It's supposed to be used in instances where wiretapping is legal but not possible. The idea is that the spyware wiretaps "at the source". Again, that has absolutely nothing to do with hate-speech laws and no definition has been shifted. You will probably not even find a reasonable number of people living in Germany in favor of repealing those laws let alone something near a majority. Those laws are ok because the people living here are ok with those kinds of hate-speech laws. If you don't like it you are free to stay away from Germany.

germanier 11y ago

You are not arrested for "having an opinion" but if you call for violence, deny the holocaust or endorse genocide. Those are not opinions. Nobody moves the definition every day and it has nothing to do with encryption nor can those laws ever used against encryption by definition as they all include doing something in public. Probably everybody who knows the German society will know whether something is "just an opinion" or violates one of those laws just be looking at most statements. It's one of those "I know when I see it" definitions that is shared among Germans. That being said courts have created very narrow and clear precedent on those laws.

throwaway21816 11y ago

>You are not arrested for "having an opinion" but if you call for violence, deny the holocaust or endorse genocide. Those are not opinions. Those are all opinions. An opinion is a view or judgement on a given item. Just because they are opinions you do not like doesn't make them anything more than opinions. >Nobody moves the definition every day and it has nothing to do with encryption nor can those laws ever used against encryption by definition as they all include doing something in public. Nobody moves to definition? Talk to me about the use of spyware on citizens, I'm pretty sure that definition just got moved. >Probably everybody who knows the German society will know whether something is "just an opinion" or violates one of those laws just be looking at most statements. It's one of those "I know when I see it" definitions that is shared among Germans. That being said courts have created very narrow and clear precedent on those laws. Well if the state say so then it has to be okay right?

germanier 11y ago
The thing is, this discussion is really off-topic. This spyware has nothing to do with hate-speech laws. It's supposed to be used in instances where wiretapping is legal but not possible. The idea is that the spyware wiretaps "at the source". Again, that has absolutely nothing to do with hate-speech laws and no definition has been shifted. You will probably not even find a reasonable number of people living in Germany in favor of repealing those laws let alone something near a majority. Those laws are ok because the people living here are ok with those kinds of hate-speech laws. If you don't like it you are free to stay away from Germany.