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My argument is that that idiot can further reduce pollution by using a bus. We're doing irreversible damage to the ecosystem. We complain about petrol compani

by gkya 11y ago

My argument is that that idiot can further reduce pollution by using a bus. We're doing irreversible damage to the ecosystem. We complain about petrol companies and factories etc., but we should start from our own life.

icebraining 11y ago
And I'm saying your argument is arrogant, since you don't know the particulars of their situation, and it's more likely to alienate than to convince people - and I say this has someone who doesn't even own a car. For example, do you know the bus network in Murcia? The centre is well served, but if you work a little further, you're out of luck. Do you know if he uses the car to commute, or just occasionally? Like I said, I use public transportation pretty much exclusively. Yet I'm getting a driver's license, because when my 91-year-old grandmother needs to go somewhere, I'm certainly not taking her by bus. Should we avoid using personal cars? Certainly. Does that make every car owner an idiot? No.
- gkya 11y ago
  If the bus network in the suburbs of Murcia is bad, the people should work towards making it better. Collect sings, go to the council, say we want busses, trams, etc. If you don't want to take your grandma by bus, take her by taxi.
collyw 11y ago
And an "idiot" like you could use a bike instead of siting on your fat arse on a bus. I see your point, but you are not presenting it well.
- gkya 11y ago
  I'm presenting it as well as the OP's title does: "Where the f* can I park?". I would use a bike, but in my city apart from some specific routes it's suicide, drivers like squeezing you in the traffic, and harassing otherwise. And also all the lanes are for cars. I won't respond you for your use of "idiot" and "fat arse" towards me. I see your point there, but you are not presenting it well.
  - icebraining 11y ago
    If riding a bike in your city is dangerous, the people should work towards making it better. Collect sings, go to the council, say we want bike lanes, etc.
    - gkya 11y ago
      Good job, I wonder what you'll copy-paste to this one: The bus network of a city is usually organised by a company or the council. But the hazards for the bikers are usually created by the drivers. Thus people's mindset is also involved in this problem, the council does not organise the harassment of bikers. So in this context, education of the drivers and empathy are better tools. Sure, council should be involved, but it's not the mere destination here. Go try your laconicism somewhere else, come back when you actually improve it.

by gkya 11y ago

icebraining 11y ago

And I'm saying your argument is arrogant, since you don't know the particulars of their situation, and it's more likely to alienate than to convince people - and I say this has someone who doesn't even own a car. For example, do you know the bus network in Murcia? The centre is well served, but if you work a little further, you're out of luck. Do you know if he uses the car to commute, or just occasionally? Like I said, I use public transportation pretty much exclusively. Yet I'm getting a driver's license, because when my 91-year-old grandmother needs to go somewhere, I'm certainly not taking her by bus. Should we avoid using personal cars? Certainly. Does that make every car owner an idiot? No.

gkya 11y ago
If the bus network in the suburbs of Murcia is bad, the people should work towards making it better. Collect sings, go to the council, say we want busses, trams, etc. If you don't want to take your grandma by bus, take her by taxi.

collyw 11y ago

And an "idiot" like you could use a bike instead of siting on your fat arse on a bus. I see your point, but you are not presenting it well.

gkya 11y ago
I'm presenting it as well as the OP's title does: "Where the f* can I park?". I would use a bike, but in my city apart from some specific routes it's suicide, drivers like squeezing you in the traffic, and harassing otherwise. And also all the lanes are for cars. I won't respond you for your use of "idiot" and "fat arse" towards me. I see your point there, but you are not presenting it well.
- icebraining 11y ago
  If riding a bike in your city is dangerous, the people should work towards making it better. Collect sings, go to the council, say we want bike lanes, etc.
  - gkya 11y ago
    Good job, I wonder what you'll copy-paste to this one: The bus network of a city is usually organised by a company or the council. But the hazards for the bikers are usually created by the drivers. Thus people's mindset is also involved in this problem, the council does not organise the harassment of bikers. So in this context, education of the drivers and empathy are better tools. Sure, council should be involved, but it's not the mere destination here. Go try your laconicism somewhere else, come back when you actually improve it.