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At least you're calling it web client. Signal seems to consider that Chrome extension a 'Desktop Client'. Which it isn't, and unfortunately it won't help users

At least you're calling it web client. Signal seems to consider that Chrome extension a 'Desktop Client'. Which it isn't, and unfortunately it won't help users that aren't using Chrome (a lot of my non-technical friends are on Edge now with Windows 10, the rest is split roughly 50/50 between Firefox and Chrome). Signal, with decent support for multiple devices (and ideally: Without requiring a phone number!) would be awesome. Until then, Telegram works best for me.

ex3ndr 11y ago
Or you can wait for Actor - we are working on porting Signal's crypto to our platform and we are already have much better UX, Servers and full featured slack-like (but easier) desktop/web clients.
- newman314 11y ago
  Why not just help fix Signal?
  - ex3ndr 11y ago
    We are much more powerful team for UX/performance. We build entire platform from scratch. Signal uses simplest existing technologies on top of only pubsub. We are just working very differently. Making correct multidevice/federation/apps/etc are larger part of the work then crypto (specs are ready). It is much easier for us to integrate signal protocol to Actor instead of doing opposite.
    - jacalata 11y ago
      It might be easier for you to do, but it seems like a worse end goal.
      - ex3ndr 11y ago
        We can discuss this if you will explain why goal is worse.
        jacalata 11y ago
        Because people already use Signal and fragmentation of the secure messaging space makes it less useful.
        ex3ndr 11y ago
        When Signal will became federated network we can join networks together no problem here.
    - newman314 11y ago
      If you are going to build something new, I guess I'll throw my suggestion of Signal+Ricochet+Burner in. * Signal - the crypto * Ricochet - no metadata leaking * Burner - the ability to have multiple IDs without trying to tie to PII Last but not least, a commitment to have Actor code evaluated by credible outside security firm.
      - ex3ndr 11y ago
        I have have a look after Ricochet it just uses Tor for clearing metadata. We had in the past prototypes with tor enabled messaging on mobile and it is not work as expected. Always too long to start on iOS (that can't execute in background), but we found a way to make it work much better i hope in some day we will be able to make it work together, but now it is much better to use tor proxy somewhere and point app to it. Not very user friendly.
- drdaeman 11y ago
  Is there any documentation about what Actor is? Can't immediately find one. Some sort of non-marketing overview that gives rough ideas on how everything works, with pointers on where to read for the fine details. I mean, are you interconnected with something (Signal interop a-la WhisperPush on CM? XMPP with OMEMO and GCM/APN via XEP-0357? Telegram network with Axolotl overlay? Something else?) or you're yet another proprietary standalone network?
  - ex3ndr 11y ago
    We have everything in our repo: https://github.com/actorapp/actor-platform https://github.com/actorapp/actor-platform Protocol, for example: https://github.com/actorapp/actor-platform/tree/master/docs/protocol https://github.com/actorapp/actor-platform/tree/master/docs/...
    - drdaeman 11y ago
      Thanks for the links. You should really update the website. No need for long fancy writeups, just add a section "for the curious what's under the hood" with a bunch of links, somewhere at the bottom.

ex3ndr 11y ago

Or you can wait for Actor - we are working on porting Signal's crypto to our platform and we are already have much better UX, Servers and full featured slack-like (but easier) desktop/web clients.

newman314 11y ago
Why not just help fix Signal?
- ex3ndr 11y ago
  We are much more powerful team for UX/performance. We build entire platform from scratch. Signal uses simplest existing technologies on top of only pubsub. We are just working very differently. Making correct multidevice/federation/apps/etc are larger part of the work then crypto (specs are ready). It is much easier for us to integrate signal protocol to Actor instead of doing opposite.
  - jacalata 11y ago
    It might be easier for you to do, but it seems like a worse end goal.
    - ex3ndr 11y ago
      We can discuss this if you will explain why goal is worse.
      - jacalata 11y ago
        Because people already use Signal and fragmentation of the secure messaging space makes it less useful.
        ex3ndr 11y ago
        When Signal will became federated network we can join networks together no problem here.
  - newman314 11y ago
    If you are going to build something new, I guess I'll throw my suggestion of Signal+Ricochet+Burner in. * Signal - the crypto * Ricochet - no metadata leaking * Burner - the ability to have multiple IDs without trying to tie to PII Last but not least, a commitment to have Actor code evaluated by credible outside security firm.
    - ex3ndr 11y ago
      I have have a look after Ricochet it just uses Tor for clearing metadata. We had in the past prototypes with tor enabled messaging on mobile and it is not work as expected. Always too long to start on iOS (that can't execute in background), but we found a way to make it work much better i hope in some day we will be able to make it work together, but now it is much better to use tor proxy somewhere and point app to it. Not very user friendly.
drdaeman 11y ago
Is there any documentation about what Actor is? Can't immediately find one. Some sort of non-marketing overview that gives rough ideas on how everything works, with pointers on where to read for the fine details. I mean, are you interconnected with something (Signal interop a-la WhisperPush on CM? XMPP with OMEMO and GCM/APN via XEP-0357? Telegram network with Axolotl overlay? Something else?) or you're yet another proprietary standalone network?
- ex3ndr 11y ago
  We have everything in our repo: https://github.com/actorapp/actor-platform https://github.com/actorapp/actor-platform Protocol, for example: https://github.com/actorapp/actor-platform/tree/master/docs/protocol https://github.com/actorapp/actor-platform/tree/master/docs/...
  - drdaeman 11y ago
    Thanks for the links. You should really update the website. No need for long fancy writeups, just add a section "for the curious what's under the hood" with a bunch of links, somewhere at the bottom.