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I wouldn't mention carob, unless you had expressed a distaste for everything having to do with the sourcing of chocolate. I don't, by any means, assert you or

I wouldn't mention carob, unless you had expressed a distaste for everything having to do with the sourcing of chocolate. I don't, by any means, assert you or anyone else should care about the welfare of cows. I also don't assert anyone should care about minimizing environmental damage. However, if you do claim to care about those causes, it strikes me as the height of irrationality to choose to support an industry so massively at odds with them, especially for something as trivial as a sip of milk. When you care so little that it's non-distinguishable from not caring... you don't care. I'm not trying to pick on you. So many people today just seem to "care" about things only because it's trendy, and then only the minimum amount necessary to be able to consider themselves caring individuals.

exodust 11y ago
> I'm not trying to pick on you It's fine. The catalyst for good discussion isn't typically everyone agreeing and getting along. Dairy products assist intake of the full spectrum of nutrients. It's not just about a "sip of milk" or what I like on my cereal. A million people caring a "minimal amount" is better than a million people not caring at all. Meat - an industry at the very top of the environmental impact list. I call for the abolishment of live export and improvements to other factors of the industry such as slaughterhouse standards. I eat meat infrequently and place importance on where it comes from. To suggest that it's the "height of irrationality" that I eat any meat at all, is to claim that by buying meat I somehow support the entire industry with all its flaws and variables. But I can eat meat and actively vote and push against the standards I disagree with within the industry. Everything we do has some issue, environmental or otherwise up the chain. The mining of precious metals, or the massive problem of e-waste doesn't mean I will avoid buying gadgets, but I may buy them less frequently and choose the gadgets built to last. If millions do that, industry change can happen.

exodust 11y ago

> I'm not trying to pick on you It's fine. The catalyst for good discussion isn't typically everyone agreeing and getting along. Dairy products assist intake of the full spectrum of nutrients. It's not just about a "sip of milk" or what I like on my cereal. A million people caring a "minimal amount" is better than a million people not caring at all. Meat - an industry at the very top of the environmental impact list. I call for the abolishment of live export and improvements to other factors of the industry such as slaughterhouse standards. I eat meat infrequently and place importance on where it comes from. To suggest that it's the "height of irrationality" that I eat any meat at all, is to claim that by buying meat I somehow support the entire industry with all its flaws and variables. But I can eat meat and actively vote and push against the standards I disagree with within the industry. Everything we do has some issue, environmental or otherwise up the chain. The mining of precious metals, or the massive problem of e-waste doesn't mean I will avoid buying gadgets, but I may buy them less frequently and choose the gadgets built to last. If millions do that, industry change can happen.