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> With milk, I just want to know the cow is happy This is idiotic. Organic farmers can't use chemicals to stop ticks, lice and other pests. The cows can be li

> With milk, I just want to know the cow is happy This is idiotic. Organic farmers can't use chemicals to stop ticks, lice and other pests. The cows can be living in hell to keep you happy. They don't care about the fact they are eating a, basically religiously created feed. For happy cows drink soy or plant based milks or non organic.

dang 11y ago
> This is idiotic. This breaks the HN guidelines. When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
exodust 11y ago
Do you run an organic dairy farm? No. You're just another armchair expert, pretending to have a monopoly on the facts. The organic milk I buy comes from a dairy farm about 90 min drive from where I live. It runs about 150 head of cattle - Freisian/Jersery cross on 300 acres. Their milk processing plant is next to the farm. Whether you "organic or not organic" is up to you, but I try to source milk from local farms with an emphasis on welfare of the animal and quality of the product. Supermarket milk is generally ultra-heat treated to increase shelf life, even the so-called "organic" variety. The animals are packed in to increase "efficiency" and make the milk cheaper. In the end, I don't mind paying more, and I'm supporting local dairy farmers. What the hell are you doing?
- RealityVoid 11y ago
  > Supermarket milk is generally ultra-heat treated to increase shelf life, even the so-called "organic" variety. Yes, it is, but I'd like to know why you frame this as a bad thing. > In the end, I don't mind paying more, and I'm supporting local dairy farmers. What the hell are you doing? While I appreciate your good intetions, I think the "What the hell are you doing?" is a little bit overstated, since this is a low-impact, low effort activity and, really, does the fact that you're doing something oblige me to somehow "one-up" you?
  - exodust 11y ago
    Over-heat treated milk = poor taste. It's a balance, and the correct balance is usually not achieved by the popular supermarket milks. > does the fact that you're doing something oblige me to somehow "one-up" you? Not unless you called me an idiot for doing something. Which you didn't, but the person I was replying to did. I don't mind at all if someone calls my argument into question, but at least come back with more than opinion. There are plenty of reasons beyond the welfare of animals to support local business. I admit it's not just the happiness of the cow which motivates me. Perhaps I should have explained that. The more money we can circulate in the local community, the healthier that community is. I'm no economics expert, but I have a hunch that spending up at my local restaurants, cafes, dairy farms and businesses is doing my bit to improve the region where I live. I also try to do my "bit" for the environment and animal welfare within the eating habits I currently enjoy. Hence.... "what are you doing" was an invitation to suggest a "non idiotic" approach since they thought so little of mine!

dang 11y ago

> This is idiotic. This breaks the HN guidelines. When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

exodust 11y ago

Do you run an organic dairy farm? No. You're just another armchair expert, pretending to have a monopoly on the facts. The organic milk I buy comes from a dairy farm about 90 min drive from where I live. It runs about 150 head of cattle - Freisian/Jersery cross on 300 acres. Their milk processing plant is next to the farm. Whether you "organic or not organic" is up to you, but I try to source milk from local farms with an emphasis on welfare of the animal and quality of the product. Supermarket milk is generally ultra-heat treated to increase shelf life, even the so-called "organic" variety. The animals are packed in to increase "efficiency" and make the milk cheaper. In the end, I don't mind paying more, and I'm supporting local dairy farmers. What the hell are you doing?

RealityVoid 11y ago
> Supermarket milk is generally ultra-heat treated to increase shelf life, even the so-called "organic" variety. Yes, it is, but I'd like to know why you frame this as a bad thing. > In the end, I don't mind paying more, and I'm supporting local dairy farmers. What the hell are you doing? While I appreciate your good intetions, I think the "What the hell are you doing?" is a little bit overstated, since this is a low-impact, low effort activity and, really, does the fact that you're doing something oblige me to somehow "one-up" you?
- exodust 11y ago
  Over-heat treated milk = poor taste. It's a balance, and the correct balance is usually not achieved by the popular supermarket milks. > does the fact that you're doing something oblige me to somehow "one-up" you? Not unless you called me an idiot for doing something. Which you didn't, but the person I was replying to did. I don't mind at all if someone calls my argument into question, but at least come back with more than opinion. There are plenty of reasons beyond the welfare of animals to support local business. I admit it's not just the happiness of the cow which motivates me. Perhaps I should have explained that. The more money we can circulate in the local community, the healthier that community is. I'm no economics expert, but I have a hunch that spending up at my local restaurants, cafes, dairy farms and businesses is doing my bit to improve the region where I live. I also try to do my "bit" for the environment and animal welfare within the eating habits I currently enjoy. Hence.... "what are you doing" was an invitation to suggest a "non idiotic" approach since they thought so little of mine!