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This argument just doesn't add up to me. Regardless of this court order, Apple already has possession of keys that can sign iOS updates to disable security fea

This argument just doesn't add up to me. Regardless of this court order, Apple already has possession of keys that can sign iOS updates to disable security features. So this "master key" already exists. Meanwhile the government is saying that Apple can delete the tool the moment after the court order is executed, so then what is there to steal? I just don't get the argument that this tool is any more of a "master key" than the actual "master key" Apple already has.

cft 11y ago
This begs the question: can FBI in theory write the modified OS without Apple, and just command Apple to sign it with Apple's private key so it can be loaded without knowing the passcode and booted?
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jonathankoren 11y ago
Monday, create a tool for phone A. Tuesday, delete the tool. Wednesday, recreate that same tool, but now for phone B. Thursday, delete the tool. Friday, recreate that same tool, but now for phone C. ... What do you think is going to happen? Oh yeah, there's the git logs too. This is not about one phone. It never was. It's about establishing a behavior. Also, there's no master key. It does not exist. Apple does not have an "actual master key". Maybe Google does, but Apple has said quite clearly, that no such software or key to decrypt phones exists.
- vectorjohn 11y ago
  The master key they have is the ability to sign firmware updates for all phones that could disable security. The point is, it isn't a new master key. If the key was somehow lost, Apple phones would be vulnerable, just like in the dystopian hypotheticals being thrown around here.
oldmanjay 11y ago
You're thinking of this from the wrong angle. What the FBI is working to build is a legal master key to get information from modern smartphones. It's not difficult to determine this is their objective, as the director of the FBI has asked for as much from Congress. If you didn't realize that, it's easy to see how you're caught up in the wrong argument.

cft 11y ago

This begs the question: can FBI in theory write the modified OS without Apple, and just command Apple to sign it with Apple's private key so it can be loaded without knowing the passcode and booted?

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jonathankoren 11y ago

Monday, create a tool for phone A. Tuesday, delete the tool. Wednesday, recreate that same tool, but now for phone B. Thursday, delete the tool. Friday, recreate that same tool, but now for phone C. ... What do you think is going to happen? Oh yeah, there's the git logs too. This is not about one phone. It never was. It's about establishing a behavior. Also, there's no master key. It does not exist. Apple does not have an "actual master key". Maybe Google does, but Apple has said quite clearly, that no such software or key to decrypt phones exists.

vectorjohn 11y ago
The master key they have is the ability to sign firmware updates for all phones that could disable security. The point is, it isn't a new master key. If the key was somehow lost, Apple phones would be vulnerable, just like in the dystopian hypotheticals being thrown around here.

oldmanjay 11y ago

You're thinking of this from the wrong angle. What the FBI is working to build is a legal master key to get information from modern smartphones. It's not difficult to determine this is their objective, as the director of the FBI has asked for as much from Congress. If you didn't realize that, it's easy to see how you're caught up in the wrong argument.