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You may laugh.. But you want to know what kind of milk makes cows most happy? Soy milk Or almond milk. Or cashew milk. You know, the stuff that's often in the

You may laugh.. But you want to know what kind of milk makes cows most happy? Soy milk Or almond milk. Or cashew milk. You know, the stuff that's often in the same cooler as the organic milk? The stuff that's healthy, that can be bought organic, that tastes great once you get used to it, and that doesn't involve the cow being suctioned (without antibiotics to treat its almost inevitable udder infections) for its entire life until it's slaughtered? It's probably not really about the cow being happy though, is it? It's about what is better in your cereal.

exodust 11y ago
Your approach is a distraction. If we were talking chocolate, would you enter the discussion with "hey forget chocolate, eat carob."? No. I like milk, as do billions of people. And discussing how to find and encourage quality of the milk, welfare of the cow, and protection of the environment via methods such as organic farming, is a worthwhile discussion. As I mentioned in another reply, organic or not, I source my milk as locally as possible from dairy farms that process their own milk on site, and who run their farms with an emphasis on welfare of the animals and minimal environmental damage. I wonder where that soy milk you mention comes from? Probably not down the road from my house. I actually did drink soy for a long time until I got sick of it, and lost trust in it.
- solipsism 11y ago
  I wouldn't mention carob, unless you had expressed a distaste for everything having to do with the sourcing of chocolate. I don't, by any means, assert you or anyone else should care about the welfare of cows. I also don't assert anyone should care about minimizing environmental damage. However, if you do claim to care about those causes, it strikes me as the height of irrationality to choose to support an industry so massively at odds with them, especially for something as trivial as a sip of milk. When you care so little that it's non-distinguishable from not caring... you don't care. I'm not trying to pick on you. So many people today just seem to "care" about things only because it's trendy, and then only the minimum amount necessary to be able to consider themselves caring individuals.
  - exodust 11y ago
    > I'm not trying to pick on you It's fine. The catalyst for good discussion isn't typically everyone agreeing and getting along. Dairy products assist intake of the full spectrum of nutrients. It's not just about a "sip of milk" or what I like on my cereal. A million people caring a "minimal amount" is better than a million people not caring at all. Meat - an industry at the very top of the environmental impact list. I call for the abolishment of live export and improvements to other factors of the industry such as slaughterhouse standards. I eat meat infrequently and place importance on where it comes from. To suggest that it's the "height of irrationality" that I eat any meat at all, is to claim that by buying meat I somehow support the entire industry with all its flaws and variables. But I can eat meat and actively vote and push against the standards I disagree with within the industry. Everything we do has some issue, environmental or otherwise up the chain. The mining of precious metals, or the massive problem of e-waste doesn't mean I will avoid buying gadgets, but I may buy them less frequently and choose the gadgets built to last. If millions do that, industry change can happen.
vlehto 11y ago
Almond milk is not happy cow. Almond milk is no cow.

exodust 11y ago

Your approach is a distraction. If we were talking chocolate, would you enter the discussion with "hey forget chocolate, eat carob."? No. I like milk, as do billions of people. And discussing how to find and encourage quality of the milk, welfare of the cow, and protection of the environment via methods such as organic farming, is a worthwhile discussion. As I mentioned in another reply, organic or not, I source my milk as locally as possible from dairy farms that process their own milk on site, and who run their farms with an emphasis on welfare of the animals and minimal environmental damage. I wonder where that soy milk you mention comes from? Probably not down the road from my house. I actually did drink soy for a long time until I got sick of it, and lost trust in it.

solipsism 11y ago
I wouldn't mention carob, unless you had expressed a distaste for everything having to do with the sourcing of chocolate. I don't, by any means, assert you or anyone else should care about the welfare of cows. I also don't assert anyone should care about minimizing environmental damage. However, if you do claim to care about those causes, it strikes me as the height of irrationality to choose to support an industry so massively at odds with them, especially for something as trivial as a sip of milk. When you care so little that it's non-distinguishable from not caring... you don't care. I'm not trying to pick on you. So many people today just seem to "care" about things only because it's trendy, and then only the minimum amount necessary to be able to consider themselves caring individuals.
- exodust 11y ago
  > I'm not trying to pick on you It's fine. The catalyst for good discussion isn't typically everyone agreeing and getting along. Dairy products assist intake of the full spectrum of nutrients. It's not just about a "sip of milk" or what I like on my cereal. A million people caring a "minimal amount" is better than a million people not caring at all. Meat - an industry at the very top of the environmental impact list. I call for the abolishment of live export and improvements to other factors of the industry such as slaughterhouse standards. I eat meat infrequently and place importance on where it comes from. To suggest that it's the "height of irrationality" that I eat any meat at all, is to claim that by buying meat I somehow support the entire industry with all its flaws and variables. But I can eat meat and actively vote and push against the standards I disagree with within the industry. Everything we do has some issue, environmental or otherwise up the chain. The mining of precious metals, or the massive problem of e-waste doesn't mean I will avoid buying gadgets, but I may buy them less frequently and choose the gadgets built to last. If millions do that, industry change can happen.

vlehto 11y ago

Almond milk is not happy cow. Almond milk is no cow.