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This was an interesting article if only for the nice summary as I wasn't completely aware of the situation. The tidbit in the end surprised me though- Toyota i

by gxs 17y ago

This was an interesting article if only for the nice summary as I wasn't completely aware of the situation. The tidbit in the end surprised me though- Toyota is trying to hard to spin that they stopped selling cars as a safety precaution. Turns out the NHTSA forced them to stop selling.

grandalf 17y ago
Would you buy a Toyota today? I would. Do you really think that the NHTSA might not be doing this partly as a handout to the government's own auto companies (Chrysler and GM)?
- mdasen 17y ago
  It does benefit other auto-makers, but Toyota has admitted that there are flaws in its vehicles that can kill people. It doesn't mean that Toyotas aren't otherwise good, reliable cars. However, they covered up a fatal issue and they shouldn't be allowed to sell new cars with the issue and they should have to repair the ones with the issue. Should Toyota be allowed to sell cars with this known fatal flaw? Of course not! Should they have to recall and repair cars with this known fatal flaw? Yes! Those are the things that have happened to Toyota. It's not some conspiracy case of the NHTSA trying to give domestic firms a leg up. It's a case of Toyota having to fix a fatal problem with its vehicles. How is this different from the Ford/Firestone incident from the past? Was that the NHTSA trying to give Toyota a leg up by requiring Ford to fix that problem?
  - grandalf 17y ago
    All cars have fatal flaws, they just occur with some probability between 0 and 1. The flaw you are mentioning also has a probability of killing someone of between 0 and 1. The point is that car companies decide when to do a recall based on a cost/benefit analysis and not just because there is a low probability flaw that could occasionally be fatal.
- jonknee 17y ago
  Did you miss the part where the NHTSA opened its investigation before the auto company bailouts?
  - grandalf 17y ago
    Do you think the bailouts happened just as the auto companies were beginning to have an inkling that things weren't going well?
    - jonknee 17y ago
      Not at all, but do you think the NHTSA knew anything about the bailouts years before they happened?
      - grandalf 17y ago
        Hah, no, but the same sentiment of wanting to help out the domestic automakers that motivated the bailout existed prior to the bailout itself.

by gxs 17y ago

grandalf 17y ago

Would you buy a Toyota today? I would. Do you really think that the NHTSA might not be doing this partly as a handout to the government's own auto companies (Chrysler and GM)?

mdasen 17y ago
It does benefit other auto-makers, but Toyota has admitted that there are flaws in its vehicles that can kill people. It doesn't mean that Toyotas aren't otherwise good, reliable cars. However, they covered up a fatal issue and they shouldn't be allowed to sell new cars with the issue and they should have to repair the ones with the issue. Should Toyota be allowed to sell cars with this known fatal flaw? Of course not! Should they have to recall and repair cars with this known fatal flaw? Yes! Those are the things that have happened to Toyota. It's not some conspiracy case of the NHTSA trying to give domestic firms a leg up. It's a case of Toyota having to fix a fatal problem with its vehicles. How is this different from the Ford/Firestone incident from the past? Was that the NHTSA trying to give Toyota a leg up by requiring Ford to fix that problem?
- grandalf 17y ago
  All cars have fatal flaws, they just occur with some probability between 0 and 1. The flaw you are mentioning also has a probability of killing someone of between 0 and 1. The point is that car companies decide when to do a recall based on a cost/benefit analysis and not just because there is a low probability flaw that could occasionally be fatal.
jonknee 17y ago
Did you miss the part where the NHTSA opened its investigation before the auto company bailouts?
- grandalf 17y ago
  Do you think the bailouts happened just as the auto companies were beginning to have an inkling that things weren't going well?
  - jonknee 17y ago
    Not at all, but do you think the NHTSA knew anything about the bailouts years before they happened?
    - grandalf 17y ago
      Hah, no, but the same sentiment of wanting to help out the domestic automakers that motivated the bailout existed prior to the bailout itself.