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Poettering gets shit on a lot. While his software does often have problems, he is really well-intentioned and working on really hard things that really do need
by coldpie 11y ago
Poettering gets shit on a lot. While his software does often have problems, he is really well-intentioned and working on really hard things that really do need fixing. New software simply has bugs and problems, and while the transition period can be rough, I think things will be really improved when we break through to the other side.
- icebraining 11y agoWhile systemd bugs are often cause for rejoice and schadenfreude by its critics, I think you're underestimating the argument. "The other side", that is, the vision that the Poettering et all have for the Linux environment is the issue that the critics have against systemd, not the bugs and other occasional issues. I say as someone still ambivalent, not pro nor against it.
- cyphar 11y agoPeople don't hate systemd because it has bugs. People hate it because it's clear that it thinks it owns your system and that its manifest destiny is to contain all software that exists.
- coldpie 11y agoThis is obviously hyperbolic.
- cbd1984 11y agoNo, they hate it because they think hating it is a good way to troll people. It isn't honest hatred, it's just dancing around making ugly faces, like a six-year-old.
- chris_wot 11y agoI really like systemd, but I think that's not accurate. People have well thought through reasons for disliking systemd
- coldpie 11y agoHowever, "it's clear that it thinks it owns your system and that its manifest destiny is to contain all software that exists" is not one of those well-thought-through reasons :P
- chris_wot 11y agoI don't disagree :-) It would be hilarious for it to take over LibreOffice or FireFox.
- cyphar 11y agoWell, it's already taken over your logging system (storing things in a binary format, which means you're fucked if it gets corrupted), your bootloader, top, it provides an alternative container runtime, etc. It's just a matter of time. :P
- cyphar 11y agoWhat is the reason that systemd has to include a bootloader (bootctl -- which was gummiboot)? Why does it include a container engine (nspawn)? Why does it think that it should control all logging on your system (the whole journalctl monstrosity)? Yes, it might've been hyperbole, but the fact that systemd has so much code inside it which has nothing to do with "being an init system" just begs the question "why?".