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If we dehumanize others we dehumanize ourselves. We are not objects, we are not economic systems, we are living social beings with all the flaws and all the pot

by tobbyb 11y ago

If we dehumanize others we dehumanize ourselves. We are not objects, we are not economic systems, we are living social beings with all the flaws and all the potential, each and every one of us. The individual clearly has to wisen up, and this reads like a welcome to the real world but that should not detract in any way from the real suffering caused by exploitative wages. If a full time Yelp 'job' does not allow an individual to afford basics like shelter and food, let alone education, healthcare or family on what basis does it qualify to call itself a 'job'? This is exploitation. The individual is not demanding luxuries from life, it can't be 'entitled' to expect basics like food and shelter after a day's work. So is it the individual or Yelp that is behaving in an entitled manner? And to fire someone for pointing this feels fundamentally wrong and boneheaded. There is zero point for Zuckerberg or any other SFO millionaire to have billions in their accounts they can't use while real human beings who work for them have to suffer like this for months on end with rice bowls. How does that make any sense, in any way? The cold and impoverished view on this thread justifies dismissing out of hand any 'concerns' from engineers on threads about outsourcing, work visas or any social thread that requires empathy as simply the market speaking. If you can't empathize with others don't expect empathy when it comes to your own personal situation? You can't complain about outsourcing and also justify the market and unrealistic wages as one logically leads to another.

instantaneous 11y ago
> If a full time Yelp 'job' does not allow an individual to afford basics like shelter and food, let alone education, healthcare or family on what basis does it qualify to call itself a 'job'? It's an entry level position that typically pays about $20k-$30k/year. While this salary may provide every 20-something with no prior work experience the lifestyle they desire, it's definitely a livable wage. Regarding healthcare, she writes: "I’ve got vision, dental, the normal health insurance stuff — and as far as I can tell, I don’t have to pay for any of it!" Did you even read the article? > This is exploitation. Oh, please. She accepted the job offer and salary, and then leased an apartment she couldn't afford. Now she is blaming her employer for her financial predicament, without taking any personal responsibility in the situation. It's hard to muster much empathy. > The individual is not demanding luxuries from life Make no mistake, if you're in an entry level position and have no prior work experience, living without roommates in one of the most expensive housing markets in the world is a luxury. Her claim that she's starving should be taken with a grain of salt, in light of the photos she shared online: http://alotofrice.pixieset.com/thatsalotofrice/ http://alotofrice.pixieset.com/thatsalotofrice/ Traditionally, when somebody wants to live in an apartment/city they can't afford, they find roommates, a second job, or a better job. Publicly shaming your employer online for your own bad financial decisions is a new one to me.
- ytpete 11y ago
  It seems like part of the disconnect is the idea of an "entry level job" that is not a permanent, lifelong career. This is (or at least used to be) a fixture of the US workforce: you start out in a non-ideal position to gain experience and prove yourself. You're not making enough to own a new car, buy a house, start a family, put kids through college, etc., but you don't expect that right out of the gate: you live frugally, with roommates, and invest in your career until you later attain a better-paying job. But two ways that seems to be breaking down lately: 1. More and more people are getting stuck in entry-level jobs permanently, unable to find any opening to move up to a better-paying career that's sustainable for life. 2. Younger generations may have a growing sense of entitlement - increasingly appalled at the notion of scrounging for your first N years our of college, rather than immediately living a glamorous, 'Sex in the City'-style urban lifestyle. I think part of the backlash against this post is that the author's words seem to place her firmly in the 2nd category - she's eating out and living in her own place (in the most expensive metro area in North America) while complaining that she 'feels' poor... and complains about having to work "a whole year" in an entry-level position before the prospect of a promotion.

by tobbyb 11y ago

instantaneous 11y ago

> If a full time Yelp 'job' does not allow an individual to afford basics like shelter and food, let alone education, healthcare or family on what basis does it qualify to call itself a 'job'? It's an entry level position that typically pays about $20k-$30k/year. While this salary may provide every 20-something with no prior work experience the lifestyle they desire, it's definitely a livable wage. Regarding healthcare, she writes: "I’ve got vision, dental, the normal health insurance stuff — and as far as I can tell, I don’t have to pay for any of it!" Did you even read the article? > This is exploitation. Oh, please. She accepted the job offer and salary, and then leased an apartment she couldn't afford. Now she is blaming her employer for her financial predicament, without taking any personal responsibility in the situation. It's hard to muster much empathy. > The individual is not demanding luxuries from life Make no mistake, if you're in an entry level position and have no prior work experience, living without roommates in one of the most expensive housing markets in the world is a luxury. Her claim that she's starving should be taken with a grain of salt, in light of the photos she shared online: http://alotofrice.pixieset.com/thatsalotofrice/ http://alotofrice.pixieset.com/thatsalotofrice/ Traditionally, when somebody wants to live in an apartment/city they can't afford, they find roommates, a second job, or a better job. Publicly shaming your employer online for your own bad financial decisions is a new one to me.

ytpete 11y ago
It seems like part of the disconnect is the idea of an "entry level job" that is not a permanent, lifelong career. This is (or at least used to be) a fixture of the US workforce: you start out in a non-ideal position to gain experience and prove yourself. You're not making enough to own a new car, buy a house, start a family, put kids through college, etc., but you don't expect that right out of the gate: you live frugally, with roommates, and invest in your career until you later attain a better-paying job. But two ways that seems to be breaking down lately: 1. More and more people are getting stuck in entry-level jobs permanently, unable to find any opening to move up to a better-paying career that's sustainable for life. 2. Younger generations may have a growing sense of entitlement - increasingly appalled at the notion of scrounging for your first N years our of college, rather than immediately living a glamorous, 'Sex in the City'-style urban lifestyle. I think part of the backlash against this post is that the author's words seem to place her firmly in the 2nd category - she's eating out and living in her own place (in the most expensive metro area in North America) while complaining that she 'feels' poor... and complains about having to work "a whole year" in an entry-level position before the prospect of a promotion.