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What is it the fbi is after? What data exists only on the phone and no where else? Phone call, texts, or data logs? Subpoena the cell company or the ISP. Emai

• hahainternet 11y ago
  > They could get all of the logs of outgoing requests from the cell company and then go to each service provider and demand dumps of data from any accounts that Phone logged into right? The primary service provider being Apple, who operates a fully encrypted messaging system where the cleartext only ever exists on the device. It's a child abuser's wet dream.
  • arrty88 11y ago
    OK, but sometimes when I send iMessages, they actually send as SMS if my service is poor or the receivers service is poor, someone is in the subway, on a flight, etc etc. Chances are, this happened at least once over the lifetime of the terrorists ownership of the phone - thus we can at least see who they are communicating with, right? Wouldn't that be a good starting point? And call records - they must have called someone - if only to talk about the weather.
    • hahainternet 11y ago
      > Chances are, this happened at least once over the lifetime of the terrorists ownership of the phone - thus we can at least see who they are communicating with, right? Is that really acceptable to you? Maybe they accidentally screwed up once so it's OK to keep the private affairs of a dead terrorist secret for no good reason? > Wouldn't that be a good starting point? I would have thought the best starting point was unlocking the phone, given the owner is dead and committed horrific crimes.
      • arrty88 11y ago
        I would start with anything available, dig deep, and never give up. Including breaking down the doors of anyone they texted or called.
        • hahainternet 11y ago
          > Including breaking down the doors of anyone they texted or called. But not the service provider intentionally denying access to this vital information? What a bizarre twist of logic!
      • spoondan 11y ago
        Apple do not have the ability to unlock the phone. They have the ability to create a tool that could unlock any iPhone. That is not a starting point.
        • hahainternet 11y ago
          Therefore they have the ability to unlock the phone. I mean I knew people defended Apple here but I didn't think they'd demand logic no longer works to satisfy that.
    • glhaynes 11y ago
      You can turn off the SMS fallback in Settings.
• infogulch 11y ago
  The FBI is after a legal precedent. Surely they have enough evidence to convict the accused. The phone likely wouldn't give them anything essential to the case. It's already a wrap. However, the legal precedent would be invaluable for future <s>rights violations</s>legal proceedings. They have 1. Nothing to lose in this particular case. 2. A maximally effective situation for getting this ruling, complete with irrational fear-based public support ("bcuz turrists!1!"). Seriously. If your goal is to create this legal precedent, go ahead and try to imagine a better scenario under which this could rule in your favor. I'll wait.
  • ascorbic 11y ago
    There is no accused. They're both dead.
  • orionblastar 11y ago
    You have to understand the accused are dead, and destroyed their personal iPhones before the attacks. There is no criminal trial for dead people. The only iPhone the FBI have is the work phone, which he might not have used to contact terrorists with it. If he did he'd destroy it as well. The problem is that judges and politicians are not tech savvy enough to understand why they shouldn't force Apple to make a tool to break passcodes on iPhones. How that makes any iPhone insecure in the wrong hands.
• cmurf 11y ago
  iMessage chats are only on the phone. Same for Telegram which what FBI suspects.