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I suspect there's an emotional angle to this that people may not be aware of, either. There are quite a few people active in software engineering today at majo
by fixermark 11y ago
I suspect there's an emotional angle to this that people may not be aware of, either.
There are quite a few people active in software engineering today at major companies who grew up with the sci-fi ecosystem of dystopia stories that were relatively prevalent in the '70s, '80s, and '90s. Add into the mix their observations and experiences watching the dotcom boom and bust, the first major cases of the FBI chasing down hackers and trying to deal with the inadequacies of the law to handle that class of crime by redlining all the punishments the law allowed, and the utter ridiculousness that was the war between file sharing systems / communities and the RIAA / MPAA, and you end up with a culture primed to see themselves as the smart guardians of the common person against abuse by authority. Even though they are the establishment now, they still see themselves as anti-establishment, taking a stand for little people against Big Brother. That's not necessarily a true reflection of the world (in many cases, the large software companies can themselves stand accused of being Big Brother), but it's the myth they grew up with.
And along comes clear and indisputable evidence that their governments have not only the theoretical capacity to mass-harvest data and mass-survey people, they are actually doing it and have actively breached the security infrastructure at the companies these people work for to make it happen. So people in the tech sector are mad. Seething, in fact. We talk of governments metaphorically breaking into people's houses, but it's not a metaphor for the people whose day-job it is to physically secure their houses---the people the governments have actually physically wiretapped, using Cold War-era techniques, without permission.
So if the governments want a war about who owns information, the people who work in the tech sector are excited to give them one.
- jordanb 11y agoWhy does it matter if party A or party B is "the establishment?" Personally I think nobody should be able to mass-surveil the entire population. And I don't trust the tech giants at all (especially on matters of privacy) but in the words of Henry Kissinger: "there are no permanent allies, only permanent interests."
- fixermark 11y agoIt speaks to the disconnect that governments should have predicted but didn't: from one point of view, governments and big tech multinationals should be in the same boat (keeping the "users" safe and secure in their daily activities, able to go about their day without worrying about externalities that they've trusted big organizations to protect them from). But tech company employees don't generally see themselves as part of the same establishment ecosystem as the governments who want them to work together.
- zaphar 11y agoThis is I think very true. The government underestimated I think the anger that had been and has been growing in the tech sector around these issues. I try myself to be objective and still find myself having an initial reaction of anger. It can be very difficult sometimes to distinguish between your purely emotional reaction and the objective risk factors involved that you need to balance. There is very much an us against them mentality that frankly seems to have caught the Government off guard a bit.