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Time. They don't actually ensure that the current OS is not in the wild, they just make sure it kept secret until they release it. They would need to protect th

by Rhapso 11y ago

Time. They don't actually ensure that the current OS is not in the wild, they just make sure it kept secret until they release it. They would need to protect the OS and people who made it (or can make it) forever. The reality is, simply by delivering the modified os, it leaves their security to be handled by the honestly less competent FBI or law enforcement. You are right about the government always finding a way to win, but this whole case sounds like the FBI messed up on handling the phone as evidence and is spinning the newsroom hard with the new drama with apple. The reality is, despite apple's protests to the contrary, building the modified OS and giving it to the FBI would hurt their business a lot in both PR and savvy customers leaving.

pigpaws 11y ago
you're assuming that apple will give it to them. Theoretically, the FBI could deliver the phone Friday, pick it up on Monday, along with the data... nothing (OS-WISE) changes hands, it doesn't 'get out', and could be destroyed or kept for only the most 'national security' required cases... (we all know then that EVERYTHING will be NS).
- sangnoir 11y ago
  > nothing (OS-WISE) changes hands, it doesn't 'get out' It would have to 'get out' if it's installed on the phone. You are assuming the FBI (or other interested TLA agencies) lack the ability to extract the the compromised OS from the phone and/or retarget it to other devices. An even more nefarious scheme would be to modify the current code on the iPhone so that it logs Apples signing as they apply the update, but that edging into tinfoil territory
- studentrob 11y ago
  Then the FBI claims the process is too slow, they have too many requests, and have a judge order Apple to provide the OS digitally. Even if they promise they won't go to a judge for that in the future, they could change their mind. As Cook said, once created, it exists and there is no protection against it getting out in the wild.

by Rhapso 11y ago

pigpaws 11y ago

you're assuming that apple will give it to them. Theoretically, the FBI could deliver the phone Friday, pick it up on Monday, along with the data... nothing (OS-WISE) changes hands, it doesn't 'get out', and could be destroyed or kept for only the most 'national security' required cases... (we all know then that EVERYTHING will be NS).

sangnoir 11y ago
> nothing (OS-WISE) changes hands, it doesn't 'get out' It would have to 'get out' if it's installed on the phone. You are assuming the FBI (or other interested TLA agencies) lack the ability to extract the the compromised OS from the phone and/or retarget it to other devices. An even more nefarious scheme would be to modify the current code on the iPhone so that it logs Apples signing as they apply the update, but that edging into tinfoil territory
studentrob 11y ago
Then the FBI claims the process is too slow, they have too many requests, and have a judge order Apple to provide the OS digitally. Even if they promise they won't go to a judge for that in the future, they could change their mind. As Cook said, once created, it exists and there is no protection against it getting out in the wild.