While vim and emacs are certainly more "traditional", they're not IDEs, and hence not "traditional IDEs". As a Lisper, I'm still stuck with emacs as the best-s

While vim and emacs are certainly more "traditional", they're not IDEs, and hence not "traditional IDEs". As a Lisper, I'm still stuck with emacs as the best-supported tool, and that's kind of a sorry state of things.