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> The video simplifies everything down to the equivalent of shouting your private message across a room when encryption is absent, which it certainly isn't. Uh

> The video simplifies everything down to the equivalent of shouting your private message across a room when encryption is absent, which it certainly isn't. Uh, if you're on wifi or a mobile connection, depending on the configuration, it pretty much is exactly like shouting a private message across a room

exodust 11y ago
Except it isn't. I could press a glass against the wall and listen to people having a private conversation. Does that make their conversation public "like shouting it across the room"? No. Of course it doesn't. Get your analogies straight. I could use my zoom lens to spy over your shoulder as you type your message into your super-encrypted phone. I will now publish the video on youtube, your private message now public. Serves you right for "shouting your message across the room".
- cyphar 11y ago
  That's not how WiFi works, it's not like a wall or anything. Your device literally "shouts" (transmits in RF) your private message across the room (and into adjoining rooms). Anybody that can connect to the WiFi network (or has a decent machine and half an hour to kill) can read your message (the encryption in WiFi is fucked).
  - exodust 11y ago
    You've missed my point, again. We live in a world where eavesdropping on a private conversation is possible because people aren't talking in a cone of silence every time they want privacy. The unlawful intent to listen in needs to be there, and then some sort of action is required to hear the conversation, such as holding a glass to a wall. Exactly the same with digital messages. Sure, they can be listened to, but not by just anyone accidentally, as the video seems to suggest. Unlawful intent is required, and specific actions with specific software to listen in. I'm all for encryption, but let's get something straight: unencrypted messages are not dripping down the walls for anyone to read who passes by.

exodust 11y ago

Except it isn't. I could press a glass against the wall and listen to people having a private conversation. Does that make their conversation public "like shouting it across the room"? No. Of course it doesn't. Get your analogies straight. I could use my zoom lens to spy over your shoulder as you type your message into your super-encrypted phone. I will now publish the video on youtube, your private message now public. Serves you right for "shouting your message across the room".

cyphar 11y ago
That's not how WiFi works, it's not like a wall or anything. Your device literally "shouts" (transmits in RF) your private message across the room (and into adjoining rooms). Anybody that can connect to the WiFi network (or has a decent machine and half an hour to kill) can read your message (the encryption in WiFi is fucked).
- exodust 11y ago
  You've missed my point, again. We live in a world where eavesdropping on a private conversation is possible because people aren't talking in a cone of silence every time they want privacy. The unlawful intent to listen in needs to be there, and then some sort of action is required to hear the conversation, such as holding a glass to a wall. Exactly the same with digital messages. Sure, they can be listened to, but not by just anyone accidentally, as the video seems to suggest. Unlawful intent is required, and specific actions with specific software to listen in. I'm all for encryption, but let's get something straight: unencrypted messages are not dripping down the walls for anyone to read who passes by.