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It's been years for me. Occasionally I find myself watching TV in a hotel or at a friend's house or bar or some such. What amazes me is not how bad TV is, but h

It's been years for me. Occasionally I find myself watching TV in a hotel or at a friend's house or bar or some such. What amazes me is not how bad TV is, but how good it is. It's enjoyable, stimulating, highly pleasant distraction. There's some really, really good shows. It's easier to zone out with than reading a book or playing a difficult game. Really, TV is pretty good stuff at what it does. Just - my long term goals don't jive with TV. I want my distraction/relaxation to also further my social life, learning, or industriousness. So I'll play difficult games that force lots of thinking (Civilization IV on one of the top three difficulties, online Risk over at Conquer Club, Darklands with an emulator), or I'll read a book, or I'll go to a museum, or I'll watch TED talks, or read Hacker News, or I'll click around in Wikipedia to learn more of different philosophies and eras of history, or I'll do something social with someone, or just go sit in nature or a park or a place I can be out amongst people. These distract, stimulate, and relax to different degrees, but one of them should get the job done at any given time, and ideally my distraction/relaxation/stimulation also furthers one of my other goals. I'm amazed at how good TV is - and that's what scares me about it, because it doesn't further my other goals at all.

_pius 17y ago
What amazes me is not how bad TV is, but how good it is. I'm glad to hear this perspective here. Let me pose a question: What exactly makes watching a thoughtful, well-crafted drama (for instance, The Wire) on television any less worthy than reading a good back or going to watch a play? I think there's a lot of unfortunate knee-jerk bias against TV.
- lionhearted 17y ago
  > What exactly makes watching a thoughtful, well-crafted drama (for instance, The Wire) on television any less worthy than reading a good back or going to watch a play? Great question. A few points: 1. A play or movie has a start and end time that is reasonably compressed - you watch Memento or Gattaca, it takes you two hours, you sit and think about it afterwards for a while, and it's done. A high quality program will run for many seasons, taking 30 minutes to an hour of your life times X weeks for however long. Also, being not as compressed, the average quality tends to be lower (with some exceptions of very good programming, though it's rare). 2. Very easy to just keep watching after the high quality program ends, watching the next thing that comes on. Very, very easy to do that. My housemate last year had a TV hooked to a DVD player and Nintendo Wii for parties, but no channels. I did buy him a box set of Planet Earth for his birthday after seeing some of it at a friend's house. But it's like, put on the DVD, watch it, put it away, done. No getting sucked in. 3. Garbage books are no good either - I tend to read books that give me a perspective on another culture (Koda Rohan, Eiji Yoshikawa, or Genji for Japan, for instance), or read business books, technical books, history, economics, finance, etc. I'd classify a lot of fiction as similarly mindlessly-distracting-without-growth too. That's fine for what it is, but I'd rather get the enjoyment while also developing as a person, asking myself tough questions, getting more in touch with another culture, gaining expertise, and so on. But sure, there's some good TV. I used to go do cardio at the gym whenever a sports match was on that I wanted to watch, for instance, because they had a bunch of TVs, and I'd go during the fifth inning or halftime and watch the end of the game. I might buy a boxed set of DVDs and have a weekend marathon at my place sometime if a show is really good, insightful, and develops the character. Still, I don't watch television regularly because I think I'll have a healthier, happier, more productive life where I reach more of my goals if it's not part of my life. Perhaps some people have knee jerk anti-TV reactions as a signaling mechanism that they're "unplugged", but that's not it in my case. Some TV is really cool. I watched some Top Gear at one of my English friend's flats in London, and it's just really enjoyable. The question was still - wait, is this what I should be doing with my time? Couldn't I be enjoying myself while also learning, or producing something, or connecting more deeply with someone I like? It's a keenly thought out thing that I made a conscious decision about a long time, but I'm not one of those horrible anti-TV preachy people. If it serves a role in a person's life and they're happy with its effect, then it's a good thing for them.
- lolcraft 17y ago
  I think you are posing the wrong question. TV is not a particular series; it doesn't follow that people who hate TV must hate The Wire. TV as a whole, as a linear, inconvenient way of displaying content which doesn't allow an easy way to filter out the crap, is what it's being biased against.
rms 17y ago
If you like online Risk try http://www.kdice.com http://www.kdice.com ! It is a nearly perfect distillation of the game mechanics of Risk into a game that takes 15 minutes to play. It's also one of the largest public Google Web Toolkit sites. My username is kevin143 on kdice.
Poiesis 17y ago
What's amazed me as my kids are growing up is how easily they learn from TV. Something about the medium just is able to stick stuff into their heads like nothing else. I'm talking about educational stuff at the moment (which is the majority of what they watch), but obviously there's plenty of things to learn from all programming, and not all of the lessons are exactly what you want to be teaching.

_pius 17y ago

What amazes me is not how bad TV is, but how good it is. I'm glad to hear this perspective here. Let me pose a question: What exactly makes watching a thoughtful, well-crafted drama (for instance, The Wire) on television any less worthy than reading a good back or going to watch a play? I think there's a lot of unfortunate knee-jerk bias against TV.

lionhearted 17y ago
> What exactly makes watching a thoughtful, well-crafted drama (for instance, The Wire) on television any less worthy than reading a good back or going to watch a play? Great question. A few points: 1. A play or movie has a start and end time that is reasonably compressed - you watch Memento or Gattaca, it takes you two hours, you sit and think about it afterwards for a while, and it's done. A high quality program will run for many seasons, taking 30 minutes to an hour of your life times X weeks for however long. Also, being not as compressed, the average quality tends to be lower (with some exceptions of very good programming, though it's rare). 2. Very easy to just keep watching after the high quality program ends, watching the next thing that comes on. Very, very easy to do that. My housemate last year had a TV hooked to a DVD player and Nintendo Wii for parties, but no channels. I did buy him a box set of Planet Earth for his birthday after seeing some of it at a friend's house. But it's like, put on the DVD, watch it, put it away, done. No getting sucked in. 3. Garbage books are no good either - I tend to read books that give me a perspective on another culture (Koda Rohan, Eiji Yoshikawa, or Genji for Japan, for instance), or read business books, technical books, history, economics, finance, etc. I'd classify a lot of fiction as similarly mindlessly-distracting-without-growth too. That's fine for what it is, but I'd rather get the enjoyment while also developing as a person, asking myself tough questions, getting more in touch with another culture, gaining expertise, and so on. But sure, there's some good TV. I used to go do cardio at the gym whenever a sports match was on that I wanted to watch, for instance, because they had a bunch of TVs, and I'd go during the fifth inning or halftime and watch the end of the game. I might buy a boxed set of DVDs and have a weekend marathon at my place sometime if a show is really good, insightful, and develops the character. Still, I don't watch television regularly because I think I'll have a healthier, happier, more productive life where I reach more of my goals if it's not part of my life. Perhaps some people have knee jerk anti-TV reactions as a signaling mechanism that they're "unplugged", but that's not it in my case. Some TV is really cool. I watched some Top Gear at one of my English friend's flats in London, and it's just really enjoyable. The question was still - wait, is this what I should be doing with my time? Couldn't I be enjoying myself while also learning, or producing something, or connecting more deeply with someone I like? It's a keenly thought out thing that I made a conscious decision about a long time, but I'm not one of those horrible anti-TV preachy people. If it serves a role in a person's life and they're happy with its effect, then it's a good thing for them.
lolcraft 17y ago
I think you are posing the wrong question. TV is not a particular series; it doesn't follow that people who hate TV must hate The Wire. TV as a whole, as a linear, inconvenient way of displaying content which doesn't allow an easy way to filter out the crap, is what it's being biased against.

rms 17y ago

If you like online Risk try http://www.kdice.com http://www.kdice.com ! It is a nearly perfect distillation of the game mechanics of Risk into a game that takes 15 minutes to play. It's also one of the largest public Google Web Toolkit sites. My username is kevin143 on kdice.

Poiesis 17y ago

What's amazed me as my kids are growing up is how easily they learn from TV. Something about the medium just is able to stick stuff into their heads like nothing else. I'm talking about educational stuff at the moment (which is the majority of what they watch), but obviously there's plenty of things to learn from all programming, and not all of the lessons are exactly what you want to be teaching.