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I think of the problems with American politics today is that our politicians cast many problems in the context of WWII (ISIS are as bad as Nazis; any negotiatio

I think of the problems with American politics today is that our politicians cast many problems in the context of WWII (ISIS are as bad as Nazis; any negotiation with Iran would constitute another Munich). If they were using WWI as the analogy, they would come to very different conclusions.

PhasmaFelis 11y ago
I wonder what the world would look like if WWII had never happened. Nobody came out of WWI feeling good about the results, and a lot of people were determined that it should never be repeated; but WWII gave us a lovely tidy narrative of good vs. evil that arguably restored a lot of shine to the idea of glorious, heroic battle, at least in places that had not actually been devastated by it (e.g. the USA).
- Spooky23 11y ago
  Not really -- world war 2 was really a settling of the over-punitive peace imposed in the first war. I wouldn't be surprised if future historians view 1914-1989 as one war.
  - PhasmaFelis 11y ago
    > Not really I'm not clear which of my points you disagree with. Also, there were three Axis Powers in WW2, and two of them had fought against Germany in WW1. It's overly simplistic to say that post-war suffering in Germany was the sole cause of WW2--especially as there were terrible sanctions after that war as well, but Germany has not gone to war again.
    - Spooky23 11y ago
      I don't buy the good v. evil position on WW2. The problem with WW1 is that it was a stalemate or a pause. All parties involved were weakened, but the status quo continued. The old 19th century system carried on, bereft of its youth and treasure. Europe was all about Germany being stuck between a rock (the post-war sanctions) and a hard place (the threat of the communist revolution that Germany implanted to defeat the Czar to the money men in Germany). Italy was a sideshow. The difference in the post-WW2 era, and the reason we didn't have WW3 in 1960 is simple. The US emerged triumphant and essentially occupied or otherwise controlled all of the powers, save China and the Soviet Union. As the US loosened control, mutually assured destruction made WW1/WW2 style "total war" too costly.

PhasmaFelis 11y ago

I wonder what the world would look like if WWII had never happened. Nobody came out of WWI feeling good about the results, and a lot of people were determined that it should never be repeated; but WWII gave us a lovely tidy narrative of good vs. evil that arguably restored a lot of shine to the idea of glorious, heroic battle, at least in places that had not actually been devastated by it (e.g. the USA).

Spooky23 11y ago
Not really -- world war 2 was really a settling of the over-punitive peace imposed in the first war. I wouldn't be surprised if future historians view 1914-1989 as one war.
- PhasmaFelis 11y ago
  > Not really I'm not clear which of my points you disagree with. Also, there were three Axis Powers in WW2, and two of them had fought against Germany in WW1. It's overly simplistic to say that post-war suffering in Germany was the sole cause of WW2--especially as there were terrible sanctions after that war as well, but Germany has not gone to war again.
  - Spooky23 11y ago
    I don't buy the good v. evil position on WW2. The problem with WW1 is that it was a stalemate or a pause. All parties involved were weakened, but the status quo continued. The old 19th century system carried on, bereft of its youth and treasure. Europe was all about Germany being stuck between a rock (the post-war sanctions) and a hard place (the threat of the communist revolution that Germany implanted to defeat the Czar to the money men in Germany). Italy was a sideshow. The difference in the post-WW2 era, and the reason we didn't have WW3 in 1960 is simple. The US emerged triumphant and essentially occupied or otherwise controlled all of the powers, save China and the Soviet Union. As the US loosened control, mutually assured destruction made WW1/WW2 style "total war" too costly.