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Hi, team lead here. Very Happy to see this on HN. If there are any requests for the team pls feel free to voice them. Smiles, frowns, ... Anything from making

by smortaz 11y ago

Hi, team lead here. Very Happy to see this on HN. If there are any requests for the team pls feel free to voice them. Smiles, frowns, ... Anything from making pkg installation easier to cross platform dev tools. Cheers.

ableal 11y ago
> making pkg installation easier http://www.pyinstaller.org http://www.pyinstaller.org Best thing since bread. OK, sliced bread, but it's close ...
- smortaz 11y ago
  Thanks ableal - improving pkg installation is under heavy discussion currently. We'll take a look. Cheers.
tanlermin 11y ago
Actually, I think support for nuitka would be amazing. Its already 2x faster than cpython on pystone, but its even more promising to compile everything into a binary blob for easy distribution. http://nuitka.net/ http://nuitka.net/
- smortaz 11y ago
  Thanks tanlermin. We are aware of nuitka and in general very excited about the various Turbo options that are showing up for Python. Our own effort is pyjion and we have a talk at PyCon 2016: https://github.com/Microsoft/Pyjion https://github.com/Microsoft/Pyjion The high order bit is to restructure CPython to enable easy plugging in of various JIT optimizer/codegenerators into the interpreter. Our own attempt will be based on the cross-platform .Net JIT (generating machine code).
  - tanlermin 11y ago
    This is really cool..hope to see it succeed :)
rogerbinns 11y ago
I make a Python extension for SQLite (APSW) and by far the single biggest Microsoft annoyance is the compilers. I support Python 2.3 to 3.5, and see downloads of the binaries for all of those versions (!), both 32 and 64 bit where relevant. Getting a system setup where each Microsoft Visual Studio version is present, and then having to use the Resource Kits for 64 bit compilers is very painful, and likely impossible to repeat (the various installers randomly disappear). Should I ever lose the system, I'll probably give up on providing Windows binaries. Microsoft do already provide a small compiler bundle for the most recent version, but that doesn't reflect the user base. I would be delighted if Microsoft provided a more complete compiler bundle (no guis, only enough to keep the various versions of Python happy). Or alternatively do what the IE team did and provide virtual machines preconfigured. That would make supporting Windows a far smaller burden.
- smortaz 11y ago
  roger - 1st a big thank you for the wonderful service you provide. I assume you are aware of this: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2015/11/02/announcing-visual-c-build-tools-2015-standalone-c-tools-for-build-environments/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2015/11/02/announcin... The python team actually pushed for this unbundling. Which other versions do you need? I can take than info back to the VC++ team. There's also this for VM's: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2015/01/08/azure-virtual-machine-images-for-visual-studio/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2015/01/08/azu... Thanks.
  - rogerbinns 11y ago
    Those are the "most recent version" I mentioned. The Visual Studio versions and Python adoption are out of sync. To build for the versions of Python I do, VS 2008, 2010, and whatever Python 3.5 needs. Note that the free versions excluded 64 bit compilation so the resource kit had to be used. Here is my setup doc https://github.com/rogerbinns/apsw/wiki/Setting-up-a-Windows-7-64-bit-build-environment https://github.com/rogerbinns/apsw/wiki/Setting-up-a-Windows...
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phonon 11y ago
What happened to the MS-Django MSSQL collaboration? It seems to have fizzled out. https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/django-developers/FbBcUCzrSZo https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/django-developers/...
- smortaz 11y ago
  Thanks for the heads up. It turns out that we are now much closer to the SQL team, so I'll ping the owner listed on that page & get an update.
- meetbhagdev 11y ago
  Hello phonon, I work in the MSSQL team and have been actively involved in the collaboration. We have been in touch with Michael and plan on improving the landscape here. In the meanwhile, we would love to help you with any technical difficulties you are encountering. Feel free to email me at meetb at Microsoft dot com.
  - meetbhagdev 11y ago
    We also worked on a few samples that you can check out and give feedback: https://github.com/Azure/azure-sql-database-samples/tree/master/Django https://github.com/Azure/azure-sql-database-samples/tree/mas...
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boterock 11y ago
Some time ago I wanted to make a cross-platform app in python, I wanted to use the ui bindings of each platform, I had some success with Cocoa in OSX but when I tried in windows, I saw with IronPython I could use WPF but when I tried to use it, it was reaally outdated and there wasn't even IronPython for python3... I guess it is no longer in active development... In the end I used swift in osx and c# windows, but I would have loved to use .net apis in python and have the same codebase for all the platforms.
- smortaz 11y ago
  IronPython has been in the community's hands for a while. We do support it in PTVS, but that's about it. Curious - did you consider Qt?
  - boterock 11y ago
    I was trying to port an app I already had in c# with wpf to be cross platform, so some networking code could be shared, but I could still use xaml and all the wpf work that I already had (although it wasn't that extensive, just tried for the sake of learning), I also used some audio apis, and with IronPython i could call c# code and use NAudio, so in the end I couldn't do what I wanted with just CPython

by smortaz 11y ago

ableal 11y ago

> making pkg installation easier http://www.pyinstaller.org http://www.pyinstaller.org Best thing since bread. OK, sliced bread, but it's close ...

smortaz 11y ago
Thanks ableal - improving pkg installation is under heavy discussion currently. We'll take a look. Cheers.

tanlermin 11y ago

Actually, I think support for nuitka would be amazing. Its already 2x faster than cpython on pystone, but its even more promising to compile everything into a binary blob for easy distribution. http://nuitka.net/ http://nuitka.net/

smortaz 11y ago
Thanks tanlermin. We are aware of nuitka and in general very excited about the various Turbo options that are showing up for Python. Our own effort is pyjion and we have a talk at PyCon 2016: https://github.com/Microsoft/Pyjion https://github.com/Microsoft/Pyjion The high order bit is to restructure CPython to enable easy plugging in of various JIT optimizer/codegenerators into the interpreter. Our own attempt will be based on the cross-platform .Net JIT (generating machine code).
- tanlermin 11y ago
  This is really cool..hope to see it succeed :)

rogerbinns 11y ago

I make a Python extension for SQLite (APSW) and by far the single biggest Microsoft annoyance is the compilers. I support Python 2.3 to 3.5, and see downloads of the binaries for all of those versions (!), both 32 and 64 bit where relevant. Getting a system setup where each Microsoft Visual Studio version is present, and then having to use the Resource Kits for 64 bit compilers is very painful, and likely impossible to repeat (the various installers randomly disappear). Should I ever lose the system, I'll probably give up on providing Windows binaries. Microsoft do already provide a small compiler bundle for the most recent version, but that doesn't reflect the user base. I would be delighted if Microsoft provided a more complete compiler bundle (no guis, only enough to keep the various versions of Python happy). Or alternatively do what the IE team did and provide virtual machines preconfigured. That would make supporting Windows a far smaller burden.

smortaz 11y ago
roger - 1st a big thank you for the wonderful service you provide. I assume you are aware of this: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2015/11/02/announcing-visual-c-build-tools-2015-standalone-c-tools-for-build-environments/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2015/11/02/announcin... The python team actually pushed for this unbundling. Which other versions do you need? I can take than info back to the VC++ team. There's also this for VM's: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2015/01/08/azure-virtual-machine-images-for-visual-studio/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2015/01/08/azu... Thanks.
- rogerbinns 11y ago
  Those are the "most recent version" I mentioned. The Visual Studio versions and Python adoption are out of sync. To build for the versions of Python I do, VS 2008, 2010, and whatever Python 3.5 needs. Note that the free versions excluded 64 bit compilation so the resource kit had to be used. Here is my setup doc https://github.com/rogerbinns/apsw/wiki/Setting-up-a-Windows-7-64-bit-build-environment https://github.com/rogerbinns/apsw/wiki/Setting-up-a-Windows...
  - 11y ago

phonon 11y ago

What happened to the MS-Django MSSQL collaboration? It seems to have fizzled out. https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/django-developers/FbBcUCzrSZo https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/django-developers/...

smortaz 11y ago
Thanks for the heads up. It turns out that we are now much closer to the SQL team, so I'll ping the owner listed on that page & get an update.
meetbhagdev 11y ago
Hello phonon, I work in the MSSQL team and have been actively involved in the collaboration. We have been in touch with Michael and plan on improving the landscape here. In the meanwhile, we would love to help you with any technical difficulties you are encountering. Feel free to email me at meetb at Microsoft dot com.
- meetbhagdev 11y ago
  We also worked on a few samples that you can check out and give feedback: https://github.com/Azure/azure-sql-database-samples/tree/master/Django https://github.com/Azure/azure-sql-database-samples/tree/mas...
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boterock 11y ago

Some time ago I wanted to make a cross-platform app in python, I wanted to use the ui bindings of each platform, I had some success with Cocoa in OSX but when I tried in windows, I saw with IronPython I could use WPF but when I tried to use it, it was reaally outdated and there wasn't even IronPython for python3... I guess it is no longer in active development... In the end I used swift in osx and c# windows, but I would have loved to use .net apis in python and have the same codebase for all the platforms.

smortaz 11y ago
IronPython has been in the community's hands for a while. We do support it in PTVS, but that's about it. Curious - did you consider Qt?
- boterock 11y ago
  I was trying to port an app I already had in c# with wpf to be cross platform, so some networking code could be shared, but I could still use xaml and all the wpf work that I already had (although it wasn't that extensive, just tried for the sake of learning), I also used some audio apis, and with IronPython i could call c# code and use NAudio, so in the end I couldn't do what I wanted with just CPython