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I don't see this as an issue. I've been blocking ads on the web for over a dozen years and now somehow it's an issue? No, it's not. The publishers who can't mak

by joesmo 11y ago

I don't see this as an issue. I've been blocking ads on the web for over a dozen years and now somehow it's an issue? No, it's not. The publishers who can't make it in a world where people increasingly use ad blockers won't and the ones who figure out how to make it will. Economics 101. I've been waiting for this play to start for awhile--it's amusing--but I'm not really interested in reading about idiots who see this as a moral issue. The advertising industry has had a good dozen years to reign unchecked. They've gotten used to having nice things that shouldn't have been theirs. Now, either adapt or die. Truthfully, no one outside of the advertising industry cares either one way or another. It's possible nowadays to live an almost completely ad-free life. Outside of live sporting events and billboards, we have so many ad-free choices, that choosing something with advertising at this point has to be deliberate or simply out of laziness. The world of web advertising is gone just like many worlds that are now outdated: CDs, DVDs, etc. It's just a matter of time till the companies involved realize this. They're like the coyote who, chasing the roadrunner, has run off the cliff but hasn't looked down at the abyss yet and thus hasn't yet fallen. Google and Facebook will at some point realize they're in defiance of gravity and start plunging. Perhaps they can rescue themselves with native mobile apps or other closed ecosystem allowances, but on the open web, they are finished. I'm just amazed it took this long for the final act to start ...

caoilte 11y ago
You can't afford to be too complacent because ad agencies know this too and will come at you sideways - 2nd hand advertising is going to become a recognised thing. Advertisers reaching you and me through celebrities we respect, through hijacking friends or just through corrupting children.
- byuu 11y ago
  Not to mention embedded advertising. Kevin Spacey on House of Cards: "is that a PS Vita you have there?" Anything from Hollywood: "Apple, Apple, Apple, Apple, Apple, Apple, Apple, Apple, Apple, Apple, Apple, Apple, Apple, Apple, Apple, look it's an Apple. Apple." Aggregator: "New Java framework Zaxybar; The true cost of OOP abstraction; Link'dOut is hiring engineers; How ride-sharing is reshaping cities; Weekly Dealmaster; The myth of the 10000x programmer" Future news article: "Hundreds evacuated the area after the hurricane ravaged the eastern parts of $city. Thankfully, many had followed city officials' advice to stock up on Dasani water bottles and flashlights powered by Duracell long-lasting batteries, so the harm of no access to fresh water and power was greatly minimized. The local damage to crops was... (article continues)" This is not a war I want to keep escalating.
  - melted 11y ago
    Funny thing is, Apple doesn't pay a dime for product placement.
    - majewsky 11y ago
      Source? ;)
      - melted 11y ago
        https://www.google.com/search?q=does+apple+pay+for+product+placement&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari https://www.google.com/search?q=does+apple+pay+for+product+p...
      - byuu 11y ago
        Apple's just that kind of company. For some reason, they don't seem to need to advertise their products. Not sure why that is ... Sent from my iPhone
    - punee 11y ago
      Which probably makes it improper to call it "product placement".
    - logfromblammo 11y ago
      They pay for placement with gratis or discounted hardware, not with dimes. A long, long time ago, I did data entry for a local newspaper of campaign contributions records. At that time, I learned what an "in-kind" contribution was. This was when someone would, for instance, provide food for a campaign event. The candidate who benefited was required to report the dollar amount of that food as an in-kind contribution. Payment in kind is another term for barter. The reporting requirement is so that public political campaigns could not hide sources of support by failing to report barter-like transactions. And you shouldn't mislead people by saying Apple does not pay for product placement. It does pay. It pays via barter, rather than with cash, but it pays.
newman314 11y ago
I agree with the parts that are visible. However, your data is being sold behind the scenes eg Verizon tracking you through a service you have paid for. I take huge issue with that. I pay for cell phone service. I should not be used to derive additional revenue for another channel. It's single use not multi.
massysett 11y ago
"It's possible nowadays to live an almost completely ad-free life." Sure, if you live in a cave. TV and movies are saturated with product placements. Grocers receive fees to give products better placement in the store. And it's amazing how many placements happen in health care--drug company sales reps are just the start of it. Ad blockers are going to be like applying pesticides to insects. Those that don't die are just going to breed offspring that are that much harder to kill.

by joesmo 11y ago

caoilte 11y ago

You can't afford to be too complacent because ad agencies know this too and will come at you sideways - 2nd hand advertising is going to become a recognised thing. Advertisers reaching you and me through celebrities we respect, through hijacking friends or just through corrupting children.

byuu 11y ago
Not to mention embedded advertising. Kevin Spacey on House of Cards: "is that a PS Vita you have there?" Anything from Hollywood: "Apple, Apple, Apple, Apple, Apple, Apple, Apple, Apple, Apple, Apple, Apple, Apple, Apple, Apple, Apple, look it's an Apple. Apple." Aggregator: "New Java framework Zaxybar; The true cost of OOP abstraction; Link'dOut is hiring engineers; How ride-sharing is reshaping cities; Weekly Dealmaster; The myth of the 10000x programmer" Future news article: "Hundreds evacuated the area after the hurricane ravaged the eastern parts of $city. Thankfully, many had followed city officials' advice to stock up on Dasani water bottles and flashlights powered by Duracell long-lasting batteries, so the harm of no access to fresh water and power was greatly minimized. The local damage to crops was... (article continues)" This is not a war I want to keep escalating.
- melted 11y ago
  Funny thing is, Apple doesn't pay a dime for product placement.
  - majewsky 11y ago
    Source? ;)
    - melted 11y ago
      https://www.google.com/search?q=does+apple+pay+for+product+placement&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari https://www.google.com/search?q=does+apple+pay+for+product+p...
    - byuu 11y ago
      Apple's just that kind of company. For some reason, they don't seem to need to advertise their products. Not sure why that is ... Sent from my iPhone
  - punee 11y ago
    Which probably makes it improper to call it "product placement".
  - logfromblammo 11y ago
    They pay for placement with gratis or discounted hardware, not with dimes. A long, long time ago, I did data entry for a local newspaper of campaign contributions records. At that time, I learned what an "in-kind" contribution was. This was when someone would, for instance, provide food for a campaign event. The candidate who benefited was required to report the dollar amount of that food as an in-kind contribution. Payment in kind is another term for barter. The reporting requirement is so that public political campaigns could not hide sources of support by failing to report barter-like transactions. And you shouldn't mislead people by saying Apple does not pay for product placement. It does pay. It pays via barter, rather than with cash, but it pays.

newman314 11y ago

I agree with the parts that are visible. However, your data is being sold behind the scenes eg Verizon tracking you through a service you have paid for. I take huge issue with that. I pay for cell phone service. I should not be used to derive additional revenue for another channel. It's single use not multi.

massysett 11y ago

"It's possible nowadays to live an almost completely ad-free life." Sure, if you live in a cave. TV and movies are saturated with product placements. Grocers receive fees to give products better placement in the store. And it's amazing how many placements happen in health care--drug company sales reps are just the start of it. Ad blockers are going to be like applying pesticides to insects. Those that don't die are just going to breed offspring that are that much harder to kill.