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And I eat meat because grains, legumes, and starches kill me if I eat them. I was an omnivore that would eat pretty much anything. Not anymore, but by medical r

by kefka 11y ago

And I eat meat because grains, legumes, and starches kill me if I eat them. I was an omnivore that would eat pretty much anything. Not anymore, but by medical requirement. I'm T2 diabetic. I map my blood sugar and can show you what happens if I eat 20g carbs (hint: its not pretty). Now, I also think that killed plants also think and feel, just not in the timeframe we do. Their chemical triggers are their communication. Their neural net... I'm still not sure, but I'm sure there are plant biologists whom study this.

fulafel 11y ago
Low-carb vegetarian diet is very easy to do. You can eat eggs, cheese, nuts, tofu and Quorn in addition to protein rich veggies like beans/lentils. Not to mention all the regular veggies that are low carb.
- DanBC 11y ago
  Eggs are pretty horrific from an animal rights point of view. You only need female chickens to lay eggs, so almost all the male chicks are disposed of by gassing with carbon dioxide (if they're unlucky) or grinding (if they're lucky). Hundreds of millions of chicks are hatched and then killed within a day because they're male. Note that the type of egg production (caged, barn, pastured, free range) doesn't make any difference here.
  - goldenkey 11y ago
    I'm sure me and OP agree with you. But most people are incapable of going straight to vegan. Also, keep in kind that eggs CAN be humane and not a source of death - it is just that the current industry is.
goldenkey 11y ago
First of all, you are reaching when you try to equate killing plants with killing animals. Second of all, vegetarian protein sources like peanuts and cashews have next to no carbs. Tofu is almost no carbs as well. And like I said, in this day and age, you can just get a good protein powder. If you don't want to go full vegan, just have cheese, milk, and eggs. Boom, protein, without killing. You are a classic case of the denial that is overreaching our culture. Kind of what I was referring to in my post. I think my arguments fall on deaf ears, because what you mentioned is so easily dispelled that I would garner you never took even a day to research vegetarian dietary options.
- kefka 11y ago
  > You are a classic case of the denial that is overreaching our culture. Denial? All life is sacred. I just don't put one life form above or under another. In order for me to eat, others have to die. That's true if it's lettuce or chickens or fish or yeast. Instead, I ask why you value mammals so much more than plant life? They doth deserve to live, right?
  - goldenkey 11y ago
    You've got to be kidding me. How in the homeruns of fucks have you melted your mind into comparing torturing and killing animals to harvesting lettuce. You my friend, are carnal, absolutely warped denial.
    - kefka 11y ago
      You mock and make fun of me, but my ideas are firmly based in scientific evidence. And you never answered my question: why do you think mammal based life is worth more than plant based life? http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-01-09/new-research-plant-intelligence-may-forever-change-how-you-think-about-plants http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-01-09/new-research-plant-int... http://www.dw.com/en/when-plants-say-ouch/a-510552-1 http://www.dw.com/en/when-plants-say-ouch/a-510552-1 http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20141111-plants-have-a-hidden-internet http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20141111-plants-have-a-hidden...
      - goldenkey 11y ago
        You're reaching very very far. It's not so much the value of life as much as the life experiences pain and suffering. I'm done here.
        kefka 11y ago
        > It's not so much the value of life as much as the life experiences pain and suffering. So, how do you quantify the "experience of pain and suffering"? Is the scream of a mammal any different than the chemicals of "screaming" that plants emit when they're being hurt? Or is the sickness (and chemical whimpering) of a cucumber somehow foreign to someone familiar with the whimpering of some sick human or animal? It seems to me that your value of pain and suffering is only limited to your human experience: in other words, "if it's not a mammal, I can't empathize, and I refuse to acknowledge that non-mammals can also have pain and suffer." I figure, given how militant you are about veganism, that you would also do your homework to see if plants also have the similar attributes animals have. Alas, I'm wrong. I expect too much scientific thought and critical assessments of world-views. I can only conclude that your position is that of a political one; as it's certainly not scientific, nor will you consider the ethical ramifications.

by kefka 11y ago

fulafel 11y ago

Low-carb vegetarian diet is very easy to do. You can eat eggs, cheese, nuts, tofu and Quorn in addition to protein rich veggies like beans/lentils. Not to mention all the regular veggies that are low carb.

DanBC 11y ago
Eggs are pretty horrific from an animal rights point of view. You only need female chickens to lay eggs, so almost all the male chicks are disposed of by gassing with carbon dioxide (if they're unlucky) or grinding (if they're lucky). Hundreds of millions of chicks are hatched and then killed within a day because they're male. Note that the type of egg production (caged, barn, pastured, free range) doesn't make any difference here.
- goldenkey 11y ago
  I'm sure me and OP agree with you. But most people are incapable of going straight to vegan. Also, keep in kind that eggs CAN be humane and not a source of death - it is just that the current industry is.

goldenkey 11y ago

First of all, you are reaching when you try to equate killing plants with killing animals. Second of all, vegetarian protein sources like peanuts and cashews have next to no carbs. Tofu is almost no carbs as well. And like I said, in this day and age, you can just get a good protein powder. If you don't want to go full vegan, just have cheese, milk, and eggs. Boom, protein, without killing. You are a classic case of the denial that is overreaching our culture. Kind of what I was referring to in my post. I think my arguments fall on deaf ears, because what you mentioned is so easily dispelled that I would garner you never took even a day to research vegetarian dietary options.

kefka 11y ago
> You are a classic case of the denial that is overreaching our culture. Denial? All life is sacred. I just don't put one life form above or under another. In order for me to eat, others have to die. That's true if it's lettuce or chickens or fish or yeast. Instead, I ask why you value mammals so much more than plant life? They doth deserve to live, right?
- goldenkey 11y ago
  You've got to be kidding me. How in the homeruns of fucks have you melted your mind into comparing torturing and killing animals to harvesting lettuce. You my friend, are carnal, absolutely warped denial.
  - kefka 11y ago
    You mock and make fun of me, but my ideas are firmly based in scientific evidence. And you never answered my question: why do you think mammal based life is worth more than plant based life? http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-01-09/new-research-plant-intelligence-may-forever-change-how-you-think-about-plants http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-01-09/new-research-plant-int... http://www.dw.com/en/when-plants-say-ouch/a-510552-1 http://www.dw.com/en/when-plants-say-ouch/a-510552-1 http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20141111-plants-have-a-hidden-internet http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20141111-plants-have-a-hidden...
    - goldenkey 11y ago
      You're reaching very very far. It's not so much the value of life as much as the life experiences pain and suffering. I'm done here.
      - kefka 11y ago
        > It's not so much the value of life as much as the life experiences pain and suffering. So, how do you quantify the "experience of pain and suffering"? Is the scream of a mammal any different than the chemicals of "screaming" that plants emit when they're being hurt? Or is the sickness (and chemical whimpering) of a cucumber somehow foreign to someone familiar with the whimpering of some sick human or animal? It seems to me that your value of pain and suffering is only limited to your human experience: in other words, "if it's not a mammal, I can't empathize, and I refuse to acknowledge that non-mammals can also have pain and suffer." I figure, given how militant you are about veganism, that you would also do your homework to see if plants also have the similar attributes animals have. Alas, I'm wrong. I expect too much scientific thought and critical assessments of world-views. I can only conclude that your position is that of a political one; as it's certainly not scientific, nor will you consider the ethical ramifications.