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I can't believe the USA is being shown up by UK on the topic of government corruption. We gotta step up our game. Time to vote Trump.

fixxer 11y ago
Yeah, totally. The dems have such a great record on privacy! /s
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- fnordfnordfnord 11y ago
  This is a good discussion to have if everyone can keep our feels to ourselves. Why do some people seem to have the opinion that authoritarianism (anti-privacy) is a feature of one political party (or ideology) more than another. As far as I can tell, there are only a handful of congresspersons who are strong protectors of the fourth amendment. Amash - R, Wryden - D, Rand Paul - R, Ron Paul - R, Udall - D. and a few others. Most just follow whatever the party whip tells them to do, and then there are a handful of very authoritarian troublemakers: ie: Pete King - R and Dutch Ruppersberger - D, et al.
  - fixxer 11y ago
    I think many people are more focused on party affiliation than actually paying attention to what their party is doing. Identity politics.
  - mindslight 11y ago
    > Why do some people seem to have the opinion that authoritarianism (anti-privacy) is a feature of one political party (or ideology) more than another The parties market themselves as anti-authoritarian to their own base, while (correctly) characterizing the other party as authoritarian. The marketing propaganda plays off peoples' varying desires for specific freedoms, and whips them into an aggressive fervor bent on taking away freedom from the other team. The politicians are then free to implement the authoritarian policies purchased by their respective sponsors.
sklogic 11y ago
You're too far behind. Trump does not even fuck pigs. It's really hard these days to match the UK.
- JupiterMoon 11y ago
  That allegation was never proven.
  - sklogic 11y ago
    And yet, Trump does not even have any unproven allegations. A long way to go to match our beloved leader Cameron.
yummyfajitas 11y ago
It's not as if the Clinton Dynasty ever attempted to mandate the use of "clipper chips" (encryption chips with a government backdoor) in mobile phones, or tried to ban strong encryption. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_Wars https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151119/18032932868/hillary-clinton-joins-make-silicon-valley-break-encryption-bandwagon.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151119/18032932868/hilla... FYI, the primary political folks promoting encryption were small government, libertarian republicans. (These folks mostly don't exist anymore.) John Ashcroft was fairly prominent among them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ashcroft#As_U.S._Senator_from_Missouri https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ashcroft#As_U.S._Senator_... Kids these days don't even remember the 90's.
- grosstacos 11y ago
  Clipper was horrible, that said: John Kerry and John Ashcroft were two of the most prominent opponents of clipper. It is dishonest and inaccurate to claim that the Republicans were against it and the Democrats were for it, both sides were split. Similarly, it's a bit of a reach to claim that "the Clinton dynasty" tried to mandate usage. The NSA offered the chip without royalties, and Bill Clinton endorsed it and proposed it be added to the NIST crypto standards. It was a strong nudge to make it available for free; but it never really approached the level of an attempted mandate. Clipper was a horrible horrible idea; and there were (and still are) members of both parties who think that these sort of backdoored crypto schemes are a good idea. Clipper (and similarly flawed proposals) don't typically originate from a politician; they typically originate from the military-industrial complex and are expressed through a politician. Partisans always have trouble remembering history though... they forget when "their side" does wrong, but they remember clearly the wrongs of the "other" side. And vice versa for good things.
  - yummyfajitas 11y ago
    During the 90's I started off as a Clinton-supporting democrat. At that time, support for encryption was primarily a position held by the "black helicopter" crowd. ("Black helicopters" refers to allegedly paranoid fantasies by right wing militias that federal agents will come for them in black helicopters.) Note that I'm not attempting to promote any particular party - note that I said the folks who promote encryption don't really exist anymore.

fixxer 11y ago

Yeah, totally. The dems have such a great record on privacy! /s

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fnordfnordfnord 11y ago
This is a good discussion to have if everyone can keep our feels to ourselves. Why do some people seem to have the opinion that authoritarianism (anti-privacy) is a feature of one political party (or ideology) more than another. As far as I can tell, there are only a handful of congresspersons who are strong protectors of the fourth amendment. Amash - R, Wryden - D, Rand Paul - R, Ron Paul - R, Udall - D. and a few others. Most just follow whatever the party whip tells them to do, and then there are a handful of very authoritarian troublemakers: ie: Pete King - R and Dutch Ruppersberger - D, et al.
- fixxer 11y ago
  I think many people are more focused on party affiliation than actually paying attention to what their party is doing. Identity politics.
- mindslight 11y ago
  > Why do some people seem to have the opinion that authoritarianism (anti-privacy) is a feature of one political party (or ideology) more than another The parties market themselves as anti-authoritarian to their own base, while (correctly) characterizing the other party as authoritarian. The marketing propaganda plays off peoples' varying desires for specific freedoms, and whips them into an aggressive fervor bent on taking away freedom from the other team. The politicians are then free to implement the authoritarian policies purchased by their respective sponsors.

sklogic 11y ago

You're too far behind. Trump does not even fuck pigs. It's really hard these days to match the UK.

JupiterMoon 11y ago
That allegation was never proven.
- sklogic 11y ago
  And yet, Trump does not even have any unproven allegations. A long way to go to match our beloved leader Cameron.

yummyfajitas 11y ago

It's not as if the Clinton Dynasty ever attempted to mandate the use of "clipper chips" (encryption chips with a government backdoor) in mobile phones, or tried to ban strong encryption. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_Wars https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151119/18032932868/hillary-clinton-joins-make-silicon-valley-break-encryption-bandwagon.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151119/18032932868/hilla... FYI, the primary political folks promoting encryption were small government, libertarian republicans. (These folks mostly don't exist anymore.) John Ashcroft was fairly prominent among them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ashcroft#As_U.S._Senator_from_Missouri https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ashcroft#As_U.S._Senator_... Kids these days don't even remember the 90's.

grosstacos 11y ago
Clipper was horrible, that said: John Kerry and John Ashcroft were two of the most prominent opponents of clipper. It is dishonest and inaccurate to claim that the Republicans were against it and the Democrats were for it, both sides were split. Similarly, it's a bit of a reach to claim that "the Clinton dynasty" tried to mandate usage. The NSA offered the chip without royalties, and Bill Clinton endorsed it and proposed it be added to the NIST crypto standards. It was a strong nudge to make it available for free; but it never really approached the level of an attempted mandate. Clipper was a horrible horrible idea; and there were (and still are) members of both parties who think that these sort of backdoored crypto schemes are a good idea. Clipper (and similarly flawed proposals) don't typically originate from a politician; they typically originate from the military-industrial complex and are expressed through a politician. Partisans always have trouble remembering history though... they forget when "their side" does wrong, but they remember clearly the wrongs of the "other" side. And vice versa for good things.
- yummyfajitas 11y ago
  During the 90's I started off as a Clinton-supporting democrat. At that time, support for encryption was primarily a position held by the "black helicopter" crowd. ("Black helicopters" refers to allegedly paranoid fantasies by right wing militias that federal agents will come for them in black helicopters.) Note that I'm not attempting to promote any particular party - note that I said the folks who promote encryption don't really exist anymore.