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>I can't, for the life of me, understand why people associate being a Salafi with the various terrorist groups. In Europe, foreign-funded Salafi Imams are gene

by temp 11y ago

>I can't, for the life of me, understand why people associate being a Salafi with the various terrorist groups. In Europe, foreign-funded Salafi Imams are generally the ones that recruit local Muslims to go fight for ISIS. To give an actual example, in Bosnia the leader of the Salafi movement has been arrested for recruiting for ISIS. The Vienna Salafi movement has been found to collect money that was then forwarded to ISIS.

cygx 11y ago
To give an actual example, in Bosnia the leader of the Salafi movement has been arrested for recruiting for ISIS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilal_Bosni%C4%87 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilal_Bosni%C4%87
- salafi 11y ago
  He's far from being a Salafi. He's a Bin Laden sympathizer, for one. Ask any mainstream Muslim who the Salafi scholars are in recent times and undoubtedly one of the first names mentioned would be the late Ibn Baz. Ibn Baz was a harsh critic of Bin Laden and his ideology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Aziz_ibn_Baz#Osama_bin_Laden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Aziz_ibn_Baz#Osama_bin_... Here is confirmation from Al Fawzan (the most-respected Saudi scholar now) regarding Ibn Baz's (and his own) position with respect to Bin Laden: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-a65Og2uow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-a65Og2uow Here is a translated video that includes the speech of a late Yemeni scholar, Muqbil Al Wadi'ee, regarding Bin Laden. It's worth listening to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO7BcXTc4zw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO7BcXTc4zw My point is that anyone can call themselves or ascribe themselves to anything. However, that doesn't necessarily make it a reality (yeah, yeah, no true Scotsman).
  - cygx 11y ago
    yeah, yeah, no true Scotsman This. From the outside, it looks like a conflict within Salafism. It's hardly the only movement such things have happened to (eg revolutionary socialism vs reformist socialism).
  - aback 11y ago
    No true scotsman, indeed. Counterargument: "No true Christian" could ever kill an enemy - Jesus was clear in this: turn the other cheek, die on the cross if need be, forgive 70 times 7 times, etc. In my sect, Christianity is totally pacifist. All true Christians are pacifists. So there's no reason for any Muslim to harbor any enmity against any Christians, because no Christians have ever once harmed a Muslim (by my definition of Christians). ... And so we're back to square one, arguing over who's really a Scotsman....
  - raverbashing 11y ago
    > He's far from being a Salafi. It's very funny how this usually ends with apologetic excuses Actions speak louder than words, and there's an awful amount of Salafists preaching for ISIS Details of religious cults are not interesting to me and I don't care what some guy in the desert (any of them) wrote in a book thousands of years ago.
  - DonHopkins 11y ago
    It's more a case of the more subtle, nuanced and trivial the differences are between two religious sects, the more vehemently they resent each other.

by temp 11y ago

cygx 11y ago

To give an actual example, in Bosnia the leader of the Salafi movement has been arrested for recruiting for ISIS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilal_Bosni%C4%87 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilal_Bosni%C4%87

salafi 11y ago
He's far from being a Salafi. He's a Bin Laden sympathizer, for one. Ask any mainstream Muslim who the Salafi scholars are in recent times and undoubtedly one of the first names mentioned would be the late Ibn Baz. Ibn Baz was a harsh critic of Bin Laden and his ideology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Aziz_ibn_Baz#Osama_bin_Laden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Aziz_ibn_Baz#Osama_bin_... Here is confirmation from Al Fawzan (the most-respected Saudi scholar now) regarding Ibn Baz's (and his own) position with respect to Bin Laden: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-a65Og2uow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-a65Og2uow Here is a translated video that includes the speech of a late Yemeni scholar, Muqbil Al Wadi'ee, regarding Bin Laden. It's worth listening to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO7BcXTc4zw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO7BcXTc4zw My point is that anyone can call themselves or ascribe themselves to anything. However, that doesn't necessarily make it a reality (yeah, yeah, no true Scotsman).
- cygx 11y ago
  yeah, yeah, no true Scotsman This. From the outside, it looks like a conflict within Salafism. It's hardly the only movement such things have happened to (eg revolutionary socialism vs reformist socialism).
- aback 11y ago
  No true scotsman, indeed. Counterargument: "No true Christian" could ever kill an enemy - Jesus was clear in this: turn the other cheek, die on the cross if need be, forgive 70 times 7 times, etc. In my sect, Christianity is totally pacifist. All true Christians are pacifists. So there's no reason for any Muslim to harbor any enmity against any Christians, because no Christians have ever once harmed a Muslim (by my definition of Christians). ... And so we're back to square one, arguing over who's really a Scotsman....
- raverbashing 11y ago
  > He's far from being a Salafi. It's very funny how this usually ends with apologetic excuses Actions speak louder than words, and there's an awful amount of Salafists preaching for ISIS Details of religious cults are not interesting to me and I don't care what some guy in the desert (any of them) wrote in a book thousands of years ago.
- DonHopkins 11y ago
  It's more a case of the more subtle, nuanced and trivial the differences are between two religious sects, the more vehemently they resent each other.