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Buy used. If you have a healthy budget, give it to a shop for an overhaul/rebuild, new upholstery, paint, etc. That'll still cost less than new, and no computer
by cmurf 11y ago
Buy used. If you have a healthy budget, give it to a shop for an overhaul/rebuild, new upholstery, paint, etc. That'll still cost less than new, and no computer b.s.
- mikeash 11y agoNo computer BS, and none of the safety improvements made in the intervening time. I don't understand why some people say that they prefer older cars because they're afraid the computers in newer ones will get them killed. Cars are overall much safer. Buy your older car, and sure, the computers won't kill you, but if and when you do crash it may well kill you where you could have walked away from it in a newer car.
- cmurf 11y agoI'm not afraid the computer will get me killed. I'm also not afraid other drivers are going to get me killed. I agree the cars a much safer than 30 years ago. By older car I'm thinking something 15 years old or newer, so they still have computers in them, they still have most modern safety features, but they don't have full blown OS's with the most craptastic manufacturer proprietary UI's known to man that never get updated and never will be updated.
- mikeash 11y agoOK, given the context of a safety recall I thought you were making a statement about safety.
- cmurf 11y agoThe safety potential, I recognize. In this case it's an inconvenience. And this transitional period we're in right now where cars can have major bugs like this, but still aren't autonomous (probably a good thing, in the context of this particular flaw) is something I personally don't want to be involved in. I understand the process won't be free of flaws, and good that Volvo isn't downplaying or hiding the issue. When the software is mature enough that it's not needing constant updates, and we're not concerned about needing an SLA for 10 or 20 or 30 years to keep car computers secure... OK fuck, I'm screwed it's going to be a long time before I can get a new car.
- mikeash 11y agoThe inconvenience seems pretty small compared to the inconvenience of maintaining an old car. Required updates at the dealer aren't exactly common, and in day-to-day use you can mostly ignore the systems if you don't want to use them.
- superuser2 11y agoYou're going to have to go back quite a while (pre ABS, pre airbags) to find a car with no engine computer.