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It's future, in 100 years from now, all food, all energy and most of other services/products will be made without any human interaction. While everything will b
by lossolo 11y ago
It's future, in 100 years from now, all food, all energy and most of other services/products will be made without any human interaction. While everything will be produced without wasting any resources (full automation, recycling etc), there is no reason why food and energy should not be free. To work will be a choice not requirement.
- krapp 11y agoWhat you're describing is impossible. There's no such thing as free energy, or a system with perfect efficiency which doesn't waste resources.
- lossolo 11y agoDo you know how fusion reactors work ? You give it energy to heat it up and you get MORE (edit: transform) energy than you gave from this reaction.
- krapp 11y ago>You give it energy to heat it up and you get MORE energy than you gave from this reaction No, you don't[0][1]. [0]https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/59673/why-doesnt-fusion-contradict-the-1st-law-of-thermodynamics https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/59673/why-doesnt... [1]https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/3xxpw9/why_doesnt_nuclear_fusion_violate_the_second_law/ https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/3xxpw9/why_does... Fusion might be a vastly more efficient version of what we already have, but it's still neither perfect nor infinite. Sooner or later, you run out of fuel, or the reactor breaks down, or you have to build more reactors or something.
- lossolo 11y agoSo you interpreted what i wrote about "infinite" literally..? Ok... We are talking about fusion... So you suggest then i think Sun will never die and has infinite energy too, yes? Maybe i will explain you what i mean and everyone else mean when they say what i said. It means that we can RELEASE MORE (transform) ENERGY, because energy is never destroyed, it's transformed. In other words the total mass of the tritium and deuterium nuclei before the reaction is greater than the mass of the helium and neutron after fusion has taken place – even though it is the same number of protons and neutrons.
- AndyKelley 11y agoThis does not exist. This is well known as the Law of Conservation of Energy. That said, if food production was so easy as to be almost free for the people with power, why not just make it free? If the cost is small enough, powerful people would be happy to absorb it to provide this service.
- lossolo 11y agoFree in a way YOU don't need to pay for it. Do you understand? But someone needs to invest billions into infrastructure, you need technology (AI) to make it work efficient. Whole chain needs to be controlled automatically without any human interaction, from energy to water supply. You know what are the biggest costs of making food ? All of them are market/human made. Google the costs, eliminate human factor and you will know what free food means.
- AndyKelley 11y agoMy point was of the form "if A, then B" and you are implying that I am arguing "A".
- lossolo 11y agoyou wrote > why not just make it free?? And i i've answered your question and pointed why it's impossible now. I've wrote about free food in about 100 years from now, it would imply you referred to that it this context, saying it would still have high costs in 100 years from now too (If not then why even write anything about current situation if whole talk is about future ?). Seeing how world changes, i don't think that what you wrote will be true in 100 years from now.
- ZenoArrow 11y ago> "There's no such thing as free energy" Depends on what classification of free energy you want to use. Do you class energy from the sun as free energy? I know I've never paid for it.
- stale2002 11y agoHow much do you pay for the air you breath? How much do you pay to post here on hacker news, or read whatever online newspapers you like? There are tons of things that are becoming freer and freer, as time goes on. Why wouldn't this eventually extend to food, or energy?
- krapp 11y agoBreathing doesn't require investing in technological infrastructure in most cases. Sometimes it does, though. Posting on Hacker News requires me to keep paying my electric bill and my broadband bill or for someone, somewhere, at some point, to pay for the servers and power and everything involved in getting it to me.
- lossolo 11y agoEverything has cost to begin. But after that phase, you don't need to pay anymore, do you understand? If you create solar panels, you get energy from them without paying anymore. This is what he was talking about. You need to really learn what word free means in context of energy. "Energy from sources that do not require an input which has to be paid for". You do not need to pay for sun, you do not need to pay for wind etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_energy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_energy
- pasquinelli 11y agopeople don't have to labor to produce anything for that thing to cost money for consumers. the people who own the companies will sell for as much as they can, and all the profit will go to them. the fact that people expend effort to produce things now has no bearing on the fact that thing costs money to buy. it's not as if human workers get a share of the sales now, they get a fee for their time, just the same as maintenance costs of a machine.