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Is any of this news? This company always hypes stuff that is years away or unfinished and buggy for years, there API documentation is deliberately incomplete to

by frik 11y ago

Is any of this news? This company always hypes stuff that is years away or unfinished and buggy for years, there API documentation is deliberately incomplete to have an competitive advantage in case they want to change private API bits in front of their competition, etc. It was bad, it got better and now it is worse.

toyg 11y ago
To be fair, that's because the stuff they hype is invariably humongous. From win32 onwards, all their solutions involved inordinate amounts of libraries and features, pandering to absolutely everyone and his dog. No wonder they also had tons of undocumented nooks and crannies... All considered, MSDN has always had a huge amount of content, which was pruned only sporadically. It has long been the gold standard for technical docs; good luck finding that sort of detail for mainstream projects like KDE, Gnome, or even the Linux kernel.
- frik 11y ago
  Fair? Is the truth uncomfortable? Yes. Deal with it. And this company was never fair, at any time, to anyone. With Steve's stint as CEO after a few years he got softer and that was the best era of the company and for everyone else. But the current CEO [edited] turned the ship to be pretty end-user hostile (forced monthly updates on recent products, spying on user), the crude bribing of enterprise CTOs and their products are buggier and less documented then ever before. Devs run away, mobile market share is <1%. The trust is gone.
  - toyg 11y ago
    Holy crap, dude, calm down. "India-born Bill 2.0 from a high caste", really? I hope someone flags it. I may or may not agree with some of your points, but there is no need to pepper your argument with gratuitous racism. MS has always been an aggressive company doing some bad things. I'm far from a MS apologist (where were you in 2000? I was in a social squat learning about Linux...), but I'm old enough to give props where props are due regardless of my "religious beliefs". MS docs are still way better than Oracle docs, to mention but one "bad" corp doing "bad" things. That's all there is.
    - jasonm23 11y ago
      Not sure they were being racist, you seem to trigger a bit prematurely. If the CEO happened to be of Bavarian Aristocratic heritage, would pointing that out be racist? Satya Nadella is of the Brahmin caste, there is not one thing racist in noting it.

by frik 11y ago

toyg 11y ago

To be fair, that's because the stuff they hype is invariably humongous. From win32 onwards, all their solutions involved inordinate amounts of libraries and features, pandering to absolutely everyone and his dog. No wonder they also had tons of undocumented nooks and crannies... All considered, MSDN has always had a huge amount of content, which was pruned only sporadically. It has long been the gold standard for technical docs; good luck finding that sort of detail for mainstream projects like KDE, Gnome, or even the Linux kernel.

frik 11y ago
Fair? Is the truth uncomfortable? Yes. Deal with it. And this company was never fair, at any time, to anyone. With Steve's stint as CEO after a few years he got softer and that was the best era of the company and for everyone else. But the current CEO [edited] turned the ship to be pretty end-user hostile (forced monthly updates on recent products, spying on user), the crude bribing of enterprise CTOs and their products are buggier and less documented then ever before. Devs run away, mobile market share is <1%. The trust is gone.
- toyg 11y ago
  Holy crap, dude, calm down. "India-born Bill 2.0 from a high caste", really? I hope someone flags it. I may or may not agree with some of your points, but there is no need to pepper your argument with gratuitous racism. MS has always been an aggressive company doing some bad things. I'm far from a MS apologist (where were you in 2000? I was in a social squat learning about Linux...), but I'm old enough to give props where props are due regardless of my "religious beliefs". MS docs are still way better than Oracle docs, to mention but one "bad" corp doing "bad" things. That's all there is.
  - jasonm23 11y ago
    Not sure they were being racist, you seem to trigger a bit prematurely. If the CEO happened to be of Bavarian Aristocratic heritage, would pointing that out be racist? Satya Nadella is of the Brahmin caste, there is not one thing racist in noting it.