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Office, though it doesn't work with WINE. Other than that not for me. Games for some people I think.

by rym_ 11y ago

glossyscr 11y ago
For a long time I would have agreed--Office is Windows' killer app since the Windows version is way better than the other OS versions. But looking deeper it's getting harder and harder to justify Office: For presentations I prefer Keynote. It's not perfect but still better. Spreadsheet I use Google Sheets, inferior to Excel but good enough and live collaborating is unbeaten and this is my number one requirement. Word is the only one where is no substitute for. Google Docs doesn't have paragraph numbering and misses a review mode which is super important when negotiating contracts. So, Word is Office's last lock-in.
- rodelrod 11y ago
  Sometime you just have to collaborate with people that live inside the Microsoft bubble... And Excel is still a pretty hard lock-in for "power users".
- JorgeGT 11y ago
  The problem is not the lack of alternatives for personal use (I use LaTeX as a Word alternative), it's collaboration. If you are required to produce Word documents, PowerPoint presentantions, etc., using certain corporate templates, or as part of a standardized workflow, then you really need windows. Also there are other, more specialized programs that require Windows such as SolidWorks, etc.
  - AsyncAwait 11y ago
    I am using SoftMaker Office 2016, (http://www.softmaker.com/en/softmaker-office-linux http://www.softmaker.com/en/softmaker-office-linux) on my Linux box and it works great for collaborating on MS Office documents - preserves formatting and everything else without a problem.
- ams6110 11y ago
  LibreOffice is pretty good these days. Like Google Docs, it's not a drop-in replacement for Office, but good enough for many uses.
  - kijin 11y ago
    LibreOffice is good enough for typing up a few simple paragraphs and occasionally tweaking the font. Anything even slightly complicated, though, will look like a modern webpage rendered in IE6. This is merely annoying with Word documents, but downright catastrophic with PowerPoint slides. I don't care how many obscure features it can emulate if it can't even render line spacing properly.
  - melling 11y ago
    Except for the Find feature that never works right. Cmd-F and try to paste into that box, for example. I use LibreOffice daily but that one is annoying. It crashes once a week too. I think LibreOffice is close, but I don't think most people are going to give up Excel for almost as good as Excel.
    - eisa01 11y ago
      Sounds like you're referring to this bug, which is finally seeing some attention https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49853 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49853
    - davidgerard 11y ago
      LO should basically never crash, ever - the stability work is stupendous. If it does, there's something deeply wrong with the system. If the crashes are reproducible, do be sure to file a bug.
  - mrestko 11y ago
    LibreOffice Impress is horrifically bad. The Undo function is unreliable which is an enormous data-destroying pain in the ass when editing a presentation. The tools for editing text and vector graphics are also inconsistent and buggy.
- lbenes 11y ago
  > Word is the only one where is no substitute for. Google Docs doesn't have paragraph Have you tried LibreOffice? In terms of both stability and MSO interoperability has greatly improved over the OpenOffice days. It has every feature that you should expect a word processor to have.
- Balboa 11y ago
  Check out SoftMaker Office 2016. Its word processor TextMaker is superiour to Word regarding features (it includes many that Word doesn't, e.g. address database. epub export etc.)., speed and reliability (never had a crash or screwed formatting which I often had with Word). The spreadsheet and presentation apps are also excellent, and all programs are highly compatible with Microsoft Office formats.
- Balboa 11y ago
  Check out SoftMaker Office 2016. Its word processor TextMaker is superiour to Word regarding features (it includes many that Word doesn't, e.g. address database. epub export etc.)., speed and reliability (never had a crash or screwed formatting which I often had with Word). The spreadsheet and presentation apps are also excellent, and all programs are highly compatible with Microsoft Office formats.
rodelrod 11y ago
I'm happily running Office 2007 with PlayOnLinux.
manyxcxi 11y ago
Office pretty much doesn't work on the Mac either... I kid but the latest version of Office is really crashy on OS X, specifically Excel.
- coliveira 11y ago
  I use MS Word exclusively on Mac OS X, and I have to say that it works just fine. It doesn't have all features of the Windows version, but for normal usage I don't see any problem.
josteink 11y ago
> Office, though it doesn't work with WINE. That's news to me as I happen to run office through wine :) You need to use office 2010 32bit (newer doesn't work) with a 32bit winearch, but apart from that it installs fine using the standard MS installer, no tweaks or hacks, and integrates perfectly into the x desktop with file associations and launcher controls and everything. Below is my setup: https://github.com/josteink/machine-build/blob/master/profiles/99-ms-office.conf https://github.com/josteink/machine-build/blob/master/profil...

Office, though it doesn't work with WINE. Other than that not for me. Games for some people I think.

by rym_ 11y ago

Office, though it doesn't work with WINE. Other than that not for me. Games for some people I think.

For a long time I would have agreed--Office is Windows' killer app since the Windows version is way better than the other OS versions. But looking deeper it's getting harder and harder to justify Office: For presentations I prefer Keynote. It's not perfect but still better. Spreadsheet I use Google Sheets, inferior to Excel but good enough and live collaborating is unbeaten and this is my number one requirement. Word is the only one where is no substitute for. Google Docs doesn't have paragraph numbering and misses a review mode which is super important when negotiating contracts. So, Word is Office's last lock-in.

rodelrod 11y ago
Sometime you just have to collaborate with people that live inside the Microsoft bubble... And Excel is still a pretty hard lock-in for "power users".
JorgeGT 11y ago
The problem is not the lack of alternatives for personal use (I use LaTeX as a Word alternative), it's collaboration. If you are required to produce Word documents, PowerPoint presentantions, etc., using certain corporate templates, or as part of a standardized workflow, then you really need windows. Also there are other, more specialized programs that require Windows such as SolidWorks, etc.
- AsyncAwait 11y ago
  I am using SoftMaker Office 2016, (http://www.softmaker.com/en/softmaker-office-linux http://www.softmaker.com/en/softmaker-office-linux) on my Linux box and it works great for collaborating on MS Office documents - preserves formatting and everything else without a problem.
ams6110 11y ago
LibreOffice is pretty good these days. Like Google Docs, it's not a drop-in replacement for Office, but good enough for many uses.
- kijin 11y ago
  LibreOffice is good enough for typing up a few simple paragraphs and occasionally tweaking the font. Anything even slightly complicated, though, will look like a modern webpage rendered in IE6. This is merely annoying with Word documents, but downright catastrophic with PowerPoint slides. I don't care how many obscure features it can emulate if it can't even render line spacing properly.
- melling 11y ago
  Except for the Find feature that never works right. Cmd-F and try to paste into that box, for example. I use LibreOffice daily but that one is annoying. It crashes once a week too. I think LibreOffice is close, but I don't think most people are going to give up Excel for almost as good as Excel.
  - eisa01 11y ago
    Sounds like you're referring to this bug, which is finally seeing some attention https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49853 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49853
  - davidgerard 11y ago
    LO should basically never crash, ever - the stability work is stupendous. If it does, there's something deeply wrong with the system. If the crashes are reproducible, do be sure to file a bug.
- mrestko 11y ago
  LibreOffice Impress is horrifically bad. The Undo function is unreliable which is an enormous data-destroying pain in the ass when editing a presentation. The tools for editing text and vector graphics are also inconsistent and buggy.
lbenes 11y ago
> Word is the only one where is no substitute for. Google Docs doesn't have paragraph Have you tried LibreOffice? In terms of both stability and MSO interoperability has greatly improved over the OpenOffice days. It has every feature that you should expect a word processor to have.
Balboa 11y ago
Check out SoftMaker Office 2016. Its word processor TextMaker is superiour to Word regarding features (it includes many that Word doesn't, e.g. address database. epub export etc.)., speed and reliability (never had a crash or screwed formatting which I often had with Word). The spreadsheet and presentation apps are also excellent, and all programs are highly compatible with Microsoft Office formats.
Balboa 11y ago
Check out SoftMaker Office 2016. Its word processor TextMaker is superiour to Word regarding features (it includes many that Word doesn't, e.g. address database. epub export etc.)., speed and reliability (never had a crash or screwed formatting which I often had with Word). The spreadsheet and presentation apps are also excellent, and all programs are highly compatible with Microsoft Office formats.

rodelrod 11y ago

I'm happily running Office 2007 with PlayOnLinux.

manyxcxi 11y ago

Office pretty much doesn't work on the Mac either... I kid but the latest version of Office is really crashy on OS X, specifically Excel.

coliveira 11y ago
I use MS Word exclusively on Mac OS X, and I have to say that it works just fine. It doesn't have all features of the Windows version, but for normal usage I don't see any problem.

josteink 11y ago

> Office, though it doesn't work with WINE. That's news to me as I happen to run office through wine :) You need to use office 2010 32bit (newer doesn't work) with a 32bit winearch, but apart from that it installs fine using the standard MS installer, no tweaks or hacks, and integrates perfectly into the x desktop with file associations and launcher controls and everything. Below is my setup: https://github.com/josteink/machine-build/blob/master/profiles/99-ms-office.conf https://github.com/josteink/machine-build/blob/master/profil...