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Hilarious to see a fix specifically for Ultima IX in this release - https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13683 https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13683

by lolo_ 11y ago

Hilarious to see a fix specifically for Ultima IX in this release - https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13683 https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13683 Ultima IX, apart from being a terrible, awful end to a great series was renowned for being buggy as hell. Kudos to the wine developers, if you're fixing things like this, you have an unbelievable attention to detail!

davidgerard 11y ago
Lotta the Codeweavers Wine devs are gamers, so of course they want their games to work too ;-)
- nickpsecurity 11y ago
  The same games they've been playing for a LONG time. ;)
Polarity 11y ago
best test case ever
Hydraulix989 11y ago
Reading the messages on this bug shows you how much of a hunt it was. It turned out to be undocumented messaging behavior in user32.
- davidgerard 11y ago
  The Win32 documentation is sometimes best treated as historical fiction with an unreliable narrator. This is why Wine has a massive suite of test cases.
  - Hydraulix989 11y ago
    That's a clever way of perpetuating vendor lock-in: write shitty documentation that is still helpful for application developers but also simultaneously makes life VERY hard for interop layer developers (like the WINE project).
    - lolo_ 11y ago
      And given MS's business practices in the past (seem a very different company these days) it's actually pretty believable at least some of this was on purpose. Certainly when you take into account all the undocumented API functions used by office et al.
  - lolo_ 11y ago
    Perhaps Microsoft's recent move towards open source might might thinks easier - as far as I can tell there are far too many copyright issues with the _entirety_ of the windows source code for a complete open sourcing there, but they could perhaps open up core parts of the codebase. Imagine Microsoft engineers contributing to wine also. Perhaps I am dreaming :)
    - Hydraulix989 11y ago
      I call it "calculated altruism." :)
supernintendo 11y ago
As a die hard Ultima fan, I just try to forget that Ultima IX ever existed.
- lolo_ 11y ago
  This is in large part why I am so impressed by the fix. U9 arguably one of the worst games ever released, though largely because the series is otherwise so great (8 wasn't great but after patches wasn't _terrible_.) Not many people want to play it these days as a result, so if they're fixing _this_ then they must really be comprehensive.

by lolo_ 11y ago

davidgerard 11y ago

Lotta the Codeweavers Wine devs are gamers, so of course they want their games to work too ;-)

nickpsecurity 11y ago
The same games they've been playing for a LONG time. ;)

Polarity 11y ago

best test case ever

Hydraulix989 11y ago

Reading the messages on this bug shows you how much of a hunt it was. It turned out to be undocumented messaging behavior in user32.

davidgerard 11y ago
The Win32 documentation is sometimes best treated as historical fiction with an unreliable narrator. This is why Wine has a massive suite of test cases.
- Hydraulix989 11y ago
  That's a clever way of perpetuating vendor lock-in: write shitty documentation that is still helpful for application developers but also simultaneously makes life VERY hard for interop layer developers (like the WINE project).
  - lolo_ 11y ago
    And given MS's business practices in the past (seem a very different company these days) it's actually pretty believable at least some of this was on purpose. Certainly when you take into account all the undocumented API functions used by office et al.
- lolo_ 11y ago
  Perhaps Microsoft's recent move towards open source might might thinks easier - as far as I can tell there are far too many copyright issues with the _entirety_ of the windows source code for a complete open sourcing there, but they could perhaps open up core parts of the codebase. Imagine Microsoft engineers contributing to wine also. Perhaps I am dreaming :)
  - Hydraulix989 11y ago
    I call it "calculated altruism." :)

supernintendo 11y ago

As a die hard Ultima fan, I just try to forget that Ultima IX ever existed.

lolo_ 11y ago
This is in large part why I am so impressed by the fix. U9 arguably one of the worst games ever released, though largely because the series is otherwise so great (8 wasn't great but after patches wasn't _terrible_.) Not many people want to play it these days as a result, so if they're fixing _this_ then they must really be comprehensive.