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I would assume they have found that person. It's curious that anyone took it upon themselves to initiate the password reset without authority, but I'd bet they

by jfoster 11y ago

I would assume they have found that person. It's curious that anyone took it upon themselves to initiate the password reset without authority, but I'd bet they have simply forgotten what they changed it to.

droithomme 11y ago
> It's curious that anyone took it upon themselves to initiate the password reset without authority The phone is critical evidence, according to the FBI and the legal actions around this phone. If the phone's password was changed after the crime without authority the person who did this would have been charged with tampering with evidence. > I'd bet they have simply forgotten what they changed it to. What possible reasoning are you using to conclude that a government employee changing the password of a phone after it was known the phone was used by a terrorist would have "simply forgotten what they changed it to"?
- jfoster 11y ago
  My assumption about it being forgotten is predicated on the person doing it not having authority. I'm basing all this on this snippet from the article: > It was then that they discovered that the Apple ID password associated with the iPhone had been changed. (The FBI claimed earlier Friday that this was done by someone at the San Bernardino Health Department.)
michaelt 11y ago
If that's the case, it sounds like the FBI are being very careless with evidence and passwords to suspects' phones, even in very high profile cases. If they can't keep passwords secure, they aren't going to be able to keep this backdoored iOS version secure either.
- jfoster 11y ago
  That's essentially Apple's concern, isn't it? That they will want to increasingly rely on this version of iOS, and eventually accidentally compromise Apple's security model?
  - michaelt 11y ago
    Well, I assume Apple have multiple concerns - one is that the cops will leak the backdoor. But even if you could backdoor iOS in a way that couldn't leak, I think Apple would still oppose it. Apple see this as the thin end of a wedge, establishing the principle that the feds can force Apple to put backdoors in iOS and Apple can't say no. The thick end of the wedge will have much wider scope and much less oversight.
- DonHopkins 11y ago
  No no no, you don't understand it from the FBI's perspective: they NEED back-door access to all iPhones BECAUSE they are very careless with evidence and passwords all the time.

by jfoster 11y ago

droithomme 11y ago

> It's curious that anyone took it upon themselves to initiate the password reset without authority The phone is critical evidence, according to the FBI and the legal actions around this phone. If the phone's password was changed after the crime without authority the person who did this would have been charged with tampering with evidence. > I'd bet they have simply forgotten what they changed it to. What possible reasoning are you using to conclude that a government employee changing the password of a phone after it was known the phone was used by a terrorist would have "simply forgotten what they changed it to"?

jfoster 11y ago
My assumption about it being forgotten is predicated on the person doing it not having authority. I'm basing all this on this snippet from the article: > It was then that they discovered that the Apple ID password associated with the iPhone had been changed. (The FBI claimed earlier Friday that this was done by someone at the San Bernardino Health Department.)

michaelt 11y ago

If that's the case, it sounds like the FBI are being very careless with evidence and passwords to suspects' phones, even in very high profile cases. If they can't keep passwords secure, they aren't going to be able to keep this backdoored iOS version secure either.

jfoster 11y ago
That's essentially Apple's concern, isn't it? That they will want to increasingly rely on this version of iOS, and eventually accidentally compromise Apple's security model?
- michaelt 11y ago
  Well, I assume Apple have multiple concerns - one is that the cops will leak the backdoor. But even if you could backdoor iOS in a way that couldn't leak, I think Apple would still oppose it. Apple see this as the thin end of a wedge, establishing the principle that the feds can force Apple to put backdoors in iOS and Apple can't say no. The thick end of the wedge will have much wider scope and much less oversight.
DonHopkins 11y ago
No no no, you don't understand it from the FBI's perspective: they NEED back-door access to all iPhones BECAUSE they are very careless with evidence and passwords all the time.