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Join Hired or Indeed Prime, you will be able to see salaries of job offers. And not to be condescending, but if you have no network after 9 years of experience

Join Hired or Indeed Prime, you will be able to see salaries of job offers. And not to be condescending, but if you have no network after 9 years of experience, you might want to think about what it is about you that is causing that.

codeonfire 11y ago
Not to be condescending, but I don't have a network and I think you're logic is wrong. Networking is a waste of time for rank and file workers in certain tech jobs. If you're not in a position of power or in a "social" profession no one gives a shit about networking with you. It is all about understanding how the industry works and what people's motivations are. What are the conditions under which some company would find and hire you at the salary you want? What are all the conditions. Is there a person out there that if you sent one email can and would hire you at the salary that you want? Just go to that person and forget everyone else. The only people that will want to network are the people that can't give you what you want. So it's just good for your personal life but not your career.
- pitFlyz 11y ago
  I heard someone say that if you meet 100 people a week you will be unstoppable.
- keyanp 11y ago
  I think this depends on your definition of "networking". For me it means "meet and work with smart/competent/kind people and convince them you are the same". If you do that other people will want to work with you. Given that definition, I agree it is concerning that OP doesn't know where to reach out. Perhaps the best course of action is addressing why that is the case.
- xt00 11y ago
  Yea so I've worked for multiple tech companies in Silicon Valley and was in the 150+ club before leaving the area and every company I was hired at was via a connection. So going to networking events is something I never did. Just made friends at work and also tried to do some social things outside of work.. So my take is that you should change jobs and make some more friends to increase your salary. ;)
  - idunno246 11y ago
    same here, just keep in touch with former coworkers that you enjoyed working with, and eventually one will end up somewhere thats neat and/or successful
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  - codeonfire 11y ago
    Do what you need to do to get a job, but this makes you beholden to your friends for a job. Plus you can only work where your connections work. Could you get a job without connections just based on qualifications?
    - akavi 11y ago
      "Beholden"? How so? It's not about making connections so that people will give you a job as a favor. It's about making connections so that you have social proof of your competence, plus to take advantage of the fact that someone telling your target "hey, take a look at this person" stands out much better than sending one more resume to a poorly monitored email account. Which, in response to your last question, also means knowing someone who knows someone where you want to work is almost as good as a direct connection. You really don't need to know all that many people to have a usefully large second degree network (doubly so if you're in a tech hub).
      - codeonfire 11y ago
        Well, there are some foolish companies out there that trust in 'social proof' as you put it, so it is possible to get jobs that way. By beholden I mean that if the only reason you able to keep a job is on the word of another low level employee, then you are in a perilous position politically. No one except your connection believes your social proof because there are a lot of expert beginner people full of shit in technology. If they leave the company you are screwed and would probably have to go find another job. Yes, it is more difficult to get a job relying on skills and marketing, but it is better in the long term.
11thEarlOfMar 11y ago
'Networking' as an activity is not the same as developing a professional network. We all develop networks as we go through our careers. You can't help it. But you can nurture it and maintain it so that when you need to find a new gig, you have people who know you that you can contact. As you work with new people and meet them in the course of doing your job, add them to your LinkedIn and Facebook networks. Networking as an activity involves contacting the people you know, then if necessary, people they know, and so on. Networking is what you do when you're looking for a new gig. Attending 'networking events' for people looking for work, you're going to have a low yield, because everyone there is looking for work. You may want to add them to your network for later, but it's not likely you'll find a job right away through that activity. In business, I've landed first-time contracts with people that I initially met 20 years ago. I added them to my network (by hanging on to their business card and checking in with them every couple of years before LinnkedIn came along). So really, you need to establish and nurture your career-facing network for the long haul. That is the way to stay employed over the years.

codeonfire 11y ago

Not to be condescending, but I don't have a network and I think you're logic is wrong. Networking is a waste of time for rank and file workers in certain tech jobs. If you're not in a position of power or in a "social" profession no one gives a shit about networking with you. It is all about understanding how the industry works and what people's motivations are. What are the conditions under which some company would find and hire you at the salary you want? What are all the conditions. Is there a person out there that if you sent one email can and would hire you at the salary that you want? Just go to that person and forget everyone else. The only people that will want to network are the people that can't give you what you want. So it's just good for your personal life but not your career.

pitFlyz 11y ago
I heard someone say that if you meet 100 people a week you will be unstoppable.
keyanp 11y ago
I think this depends on your definition of "networking". For me it means "meet and work with smart/competent/kind people and convince them you are the same". If you do that other people will want to work with you. Given that definition, I agree it is concerning that OP doesn't know where to reach out. Perhaps the best course of action is addressing why that is the case.
xt00 11y ago
Yea so I've worked for multiple tech companies in Silicon Valley and was in the 150+ club before leaving the area and every company I was hired at was via a connection. So going to networking events is something I never did. Just made friends at work and also tried to do some social things outside of work.. So my take is that you should change jobs and make some more friends to increase your salary. ;)
- idunno246 11y ago
  same here, just keep in touch with former coworkers that you enjoyed working with, and eventually one will end up somewhere thats neat and/or successful
- deleted 11y ago
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- codeonfire 11y ago
  Do what you need to do to get a job, but this makes you beholden to your friends for a job. Plus you can only work where your connections work. Could you get a job without connections just based on qualifications?
  - akavi 11y ago
    "Beholden"? How so? It's not about making connections so that people will give you a job as a favor. It's about making connections so that you have social proof of your competence, plus to take advantage of the fact that someone telling your target "hey, take a look at this person" stands out much better than sending one more resume to a poorly monitored email account. Which, in response to your last question, also means knowing someone who knows someone where you want to work is almost as good as a direct connection. You really don't need to know all that many people to have a usefully large second degree network (doubly so if you're in a tech hub).
    - codeonfire 11y ago
      Well, there are some foolish companies out there that trust in 'social proof' as you put it, so it is possible to get jobs that way. By beholden I mean that if the only reason you able to keep a job is on the word of another low level employee, then you are in a perilous position politically. No one except your connection believes your social proof because there are a lot of expert beginner people full of shit in technology. If they leave the company you are screwed and would probably have to go find another job. Yes, it is more difficult to get a job relying on skills and marketing, but it is better in the long term.

11thEarlOfMar 11y ago

'Networking' as an activity is not the same as developing a professional network. We all develop networks as we go through our careers. You can't help it. But you can nurture it and maintain it so that when you need to find a new gig, you have people who know you that you can contact. As you work with new people and meet them in the course of doing your job, add them to your LinkedIn and Facebook networks. Networking as an activity involves contacting the people you know, then if necessary, people they know, and so on. Networking is what you do when you're looking for a new gig. Attending 'networking events' for people looking for work, you're going to have a low yield, because everyone there is looking for work. You may want to add them to your network for later, but it's not likely you'll find a job right away through that activity. In business, I've landed first-time contracts with people that I initially met 20 years ago. I added them to my network (by hanging on to their business card and checking in with them every couple of years before LinnkedIn came along). So really, you need to establish and nurture your career-facing network for the long haul. That is the way to stay employed over the years.