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This patch is a prime example of why I understand OpenBSD devs' frustration with newcomers. It takes several hours of lurking to get the general idea of what Op

This patch is a prime example of why I understand OpenBSD devs' frustration with newcomers. It takes several hours of lurking to get the general idea of what OpenBSD culture[1] is. And yet about once or twice a week there's someone new coming with some demand, backward idea or GPL evangelism, who gets aggressive when challenged. I'd flip the table every single time if I were one of the contributors. [1] as long as you're not devoid of sense of humor, I guess, in which case there's no hoping

stock_toaster 11y ago
> And yet about once or twice a week there's someone new > coming with some demand, backward idea or GPL evangelism, > who gets aggressive when challenged. You forgot to mention the people who try to spam the lists with propaganda for their own rando OpenBSD fork or derivative. As a regular reader of openbsd-misc, considering the relatively low volume of the list, the frequency with which people just storm in with batshit craziness is indeed boggling. I mean..in the last three days alone, look at this[1] and this[2]. wtf! [1]: https://marc.info/?t=145589643700008&r=1&w=2 https://marc.info/?t=145589643700008&r=1&w=2 [2]: https://marc.info/?t=145564257000002&r=1&w=2 https://marc.info/?t=145564257000002&r=1&w=2
- qb45 11y ago
  You are in a maze of gpio pins, all alike, all undocumented, and a few are wired to bombs. Is this theo.c what it appears to be?
  - notalaser 11y ago
    It is exactly what it appears to be.
- nickysielicki 11y ago
  The shame of it is that misc posts asking for help are frequently ignored while any troll can pop up asking about LibertyBSD or the GPL and fresh replies roll in for a week or more. Misc needs more self-restraint.
  - DominikD 11y ago
    Most of the questions that aren't answered in manuals do get attention. Manuals exist for a reason and reading them is one of the core requirements for using OpenBSD and asking questions on various lists. Theo once said (quoting him sounds super preachy, I know) that "if you can't study the world around you, you will remain ignorant", and this perfectly reflect what is truly important about OpenBSD lists. This and understanding that some of the questions get answered off the list (I know people who got their answers like this and I know I did help once or twice in this fashion). ;)
    - nickysielicki 11y ago
      +1. The one time I asked a question on an openbsd list, I got quality off-list replies from the developers themselves within 24 hours. If you do your homework and follow the netiquette, things get answered. It's a great community. I just wish people would leave it alone and I wish misc@ would not engage trolls.
  - Gracana 11y ago
    I read everything that gets posted on misc, and my impression is that most questions get good answers. There are a couple people who are abrasive and will occasionally step in to tell someone off (even when others are helping), but I think the overall quality of responses is pretty decent. Troll posts certainly get a lot of attention though, I've seen it happen a number. :/
  - Houshalter 11y ago
    There's an old story that you can get more help on the Internet by posting bad advice and having people correct you, than actually asking for help.

stock_toaster 11y ago

> And yet about once or twice a week there's someone new > coming with some demand, backward idea or GPL evangelism, > who gets aggressive when challenged. You forgot to mention the people who try to spam the lists with propaganda for their own rando OpenBSD fork or derivative. As a regular reader of openbsd-misc, considering the relatively low volume of the list, the frequency with which people just storm in with batshit craziness is indeed boggling. I mean..in the last three days alone, look at this[1] and this[2]. wtf! [1]: https://marc.info/?t=145589643700008&r=1&w=2 https://marc.info/?t=145589643700008&r=1&w=2 [2]: https://marc.info/?t=145564257000002&r=1&w=2 https://marc.info/?t=145564257000002&r=1&w=2

qb45 11y ago
You are in a maze of gpio pins, all alike, all undocumented, and a few are wired to bombs. Is this theo.c what it appears to be?
- notalaser 11y ago
  It is exactly what it appears to be.
nickysielicki 11y ago
The shame of it is that misc posts asking for help are frequently ignored while any troll can pop up asking about LibertyBSD or the GPL and fresh replies roll in for a week or more. Misc needs more self-restraint.
- DominikD 11y ago
  Most of the questions that aren't answered in manuals do get attention. Manuals exist for a reason and reading them is one of the core requirements for using OpenBSD and asking questions on various lists. Theo once said (quoting him sounds super preachy, I know) that "if you can't study the world around you, you will remain ignorant", and this perfectly reflect what is truly important about OpenBSD lists. This and understanding that some of the questions get answered off the list (I know people who got their answers like this and I know I did help once or twice in this fashion). ;)
  - nickysielicki 11y ago
    +1. The one time I asked a question on an openbsd list, I got quality off-list replies from the developers themselves within 24 hours. If you do your homework and follow the netiquette, things get answered. It's a great community. I just wish people would leave it alone and I wish misc@ would not engage trolls.
- Gracana 11y ago
  I read everything that gets posted on misc, and my impression is that most questions get good answers. There are a couple people who are abrasive and will occasionally step in to tell someone off (even when others are helping), but I think the overall quality of responses is pretty decent. Troll posts certainly get a lot of attention though, I've seen it happen a number. :/
- Houshalter 11y ago
  There's an old story that you can get more help on the Internet by posting bad advice and having people correct you, than actually asking for help.