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A security hole was just found last week, was it not? Edit: Well, resurfaced anyway.

TallGuyShort 17y ago
Then what's your point? And can you post a reference to the specific problem you're referring to? I don't believe they've open-sourced anything new within the past couple of weeks. To clarify - I'm not saying they don't have security holes. I'm just saying that the portions of Flash most likely to be of security concern are _already_ open-source. edit: The bug I believe you are referring to was actually found in 2008, and is hardly different from the memory-management issues that are rampant through-out Flex anyway. http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Adobe-apologises-for-unpatched-Flash-vulnerability-925396.html http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Adobe-apologises-...
- coderdude 17y ago
  I think you made my point for me. A hole that has existed since 2008 in the closed source portion of Flash. True, they said that particular exploit can't be used to compromise a system, but that is just one bug out of an unknown number. The developers of Flash likely do not know the number themselves.
  - TallGuyShort 17y ago
    Generally speaking, holes in open-source projects are found by contributors much faster than by malicious attackers. If Flash really was a security concern, and I don't believe it is, I would personally rather have it open-sourced than closed source. The very intelligent hackers that would find the holes faster than open source contributors, are probably capable of finding the holes regardless of their possession of the source code (or lack thereof). That, however, is an entirely separate issue. Second, can you post some more specific details about concerns you have about Flash? I really don't see how your concern is any different than the standard concern about any open-source project. A lot of that comes down to opinion, and has already been overly debated. I've look at a lot of Adobe's open-source stuff, and I'm of the opinion that almost all of Flash is already open-source, and that it presents very little security risk. Both products I posted have a very healthy following of people looking over the code and reporting issues. Other than your opinion, what are you basing this question on? edit: Perhaps it's clearer to ask the question: What's different between Adobe finding bugs in their closed-source code and Microsoft finding bugs in their closed-source code? And yet Linux finds itself with much fewer attacks in the wild - because the people who know Linux best are the ones maintaining the code!
    - coderdude 17y ago
      The difference is that most open source projects start out open. They also don't start out on 95% of computers. Let me put it this way: if Windows were open sourced today, would Windows users be safe? Would the legion of "Good Hackers" be quicker and brighter than the legion "Bad Hackers?" There is no possible way, on a level playing field, that we would not be attacked by several new exploits a week. Every day possibly.
      - bediger 17y ago
        If Windows were open sourced today, would Windows users be safe? No. Parts of Windows have such bad design that they'll never be safe. Big example: the silly "attributes" that don't include "executable". Having a file name determine executability is prone to human errors, especially since a definitive list of "extensions" that make a file executable is not forthcoming. But if you open-sourced it, someone would eventually provide you with that list of "extensions".
      - TallGuyShort 17y ago
        That's a valid point, and a good one I think. Personally though, I still think the benefits outweigh the dangers - especially given the points bediger adds.
  - coderdude 17y ago
    Edit: Removed comment and replied to TallGuyShort, since now I am able to.

Then what's your point? And can you post a reference to the specific problem you're referring to? I don't believe they've open-sourced anything new within the past couple of weeks. To clarify - I'm not saying they don't have security holes. I'm just saying that the portions of Flash most likely to be of security concern are _already_ open-source. edit: The bug I believe you are referring to was actually found in 2008, and is hardly different from the memory-management issues that are rampant through-out Flex anyway. http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Adobe-apologises-for-unpatched-Flash-vulnerability-925396.html http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Adobe-apologises-...

coderdude 17y ago
I think you made my point for me. A hole that has existed since 2008 in the closed source portion of Flash. True, they said that particular exploit can't be used to compromise a system, but that is just one bug out of an unknown number. The developers of Flash likely do not know the number themselves.
- TallGuyShort 17y ago
  Generally speaking, holes in open-source projects are found by contributors much faster than by malicious attackers. If Flash really was a security concern, and I don't believe it is, I would personally rather have it open-sourced than closed source. The very intelligent hackers that would find the holes faster than open source contributors, are probably capable of finding the holes regardless of their possession of the source code (or lack thereof). That, however, is an entirely separate issue. Second, can you post some more specific details about concerns you have about Flash? I really don't see how your concern is any different than the standard concern about any open-source project. A lot of that comes down to opinion, and has already been overly debated. I've look at a lot of Adobe's open-source stuff, and I'm of the opinion that almost all of Flash is already open-source, and that it presents very little security risk. Both products I posted have a very healthy following of people looking over the code and reporting issues. Other than your opinion, what are you basing this question on? edit: Perhaps it's clearer to ask the question: What's different between Adobe finding bugs in their closed-source code and Microsoft finding bugs in their closed-source code? And yet Linux finds itself with much fewer attacks in the wild - because the people who know Linux best are the ones maintaining the code!
  - coderdude 17y ago
    The difference is that most open source projects start out open. They also don't start out on 95% of computers. Let me put it this way: if Windows were open sourced today, would Windows users be safe? Would the legion of "Good Hackers" be quicker and brighter than the legion "Bad Hackers?" There is no possible way, on a level playing field, that we would not be attacked by several new exploits a week. Every day possibly.
    - bediger 17y ago
      If Windows were open sourced today, would Windows users be safe? No. Parts of Windows have such bad design that they'll never be safe. Big example: the silly "attributes" that don't include "executable". Having a file name determine executability is prone to human errors, especially since a definitive list of "extensions" that make a file executable is not forthcoming. But if you open-sourced it, someone would eventually provide you with that list of "extensions".
    - TallGuyShort 17y ago
      That's a valid point, and a good one I think. Personally though, I still think the benefits outweigh the dangers - especially given the points bediger adds.
- coderdude 17y ago
  Edit: Removed comment and replied to TallGuyShort, since now I am able to.