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Dave Winer: Bored with Buzz after 15 minutes

15 points by andre 17y ago

tumult 17y ago
7 paragraphs and 0 to say.
- deleted 17y ago
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- Semiapies 17y ago
  But at least each paragraph had its own permalink.
  - CUViper 17y ago
    But they're indexed anchors, so if he ever inserts or reorders content, the links will break.
    - Semiapies 17y ago
      Clearly, his individually indexed paragraphs are undying prose that mustn't be modified.
robotron 17y ago
Winer and the majority (all?) of those commenting act as if Gmail has been this walled-off pristine email client. WRONG. There is chat, RSS feeds, SMS, Calendar, Docs, Location and iGoogle gadgets, etc all bundled up in Gmail if you want them. It has never been just about email and might as well absorb status updates and Wave-isms. These people sound just like users complaining about every little change with Facebook.
- waterlesscloud 17y ago
  How many use those features? So there's an indication of how many will use Buzz.
  - houseabsolute 17y ago
    All I'm saying is that I can't understand how anyone who uses Twitter regularly can claim to be bored with Buzz in an intellectually honest way.
    - robryan 17y ago
      It's the same criticism people have had with wave really "I log in, nothing much is happening, it's boring" Wouldn't facebook be pretty much the same if all your friends weren't posting?
      - houseabsolute 17y ago
        Fair enough, but considering Buzz has only rolled out to a small portion of gmail users, it's a premature in the extreme (hence "intellectually dishonest") to claim to be bored with it.
  - robotron 17y ago
    What indication? Are usage metrics on those features public knowledge or something?
  - enjo 17y ago
    I have no idea... do you? I use google-talk within gmail on a regular basis. All of our documents are in google docs. My calendar (both social and work) is a google calendar. While I'm not terribly interested in buzz, I'm not about to write it off simply because I'm not interested. The articles assertion that it's doomed by its API is just ludicrous. Twitters API is rather simple and plugging in yet another social network API hardly seems like a big project at this point. They're all pretty well abstracted out at this point.
jonknee 17y ago
I don't think Dave could bring himself to enjoy anything that prominently features Atom, PubSubHubbub and OAuth. Dave didn't invent these things and as such Dave's personal development stack doesn't support these things.
- tcskeptic 17y ago
  I'm just surprised that Buzz doesn't somehow reinvent an application he deployed 3 years ago (which sank like a stone unnoticed) but is now evidence of Google's evil intentions to destroy his established internet standard.
- glower 17y ago
  you're full of shit. my stack supports oauth and atom. havent seen the need to do anything with pshb yet, but if i do i'll support it too.
caryme 17y ago
I might be mistaken, but didn't they say in the Q&A portion of the announcement that today's API release is only the beginning and we should expect a more featured API by Google I/O?
zitterbewegung 17y ago
I'm not bored with buzz after a few minutes. Looks like someone is trying to capitalize on the hype of buzz (to catch the buzz so to speak) for their own blog by saying it sucks.
nym 17y ago
Dave Whiner.
mgrouchy 17y ago
Seems to me that Dave Winer is always down on something. If its not Buzz its twitter or PubSubHubbub its something else. I don't know Mr. Winer, so I try not to judge, but to me he just seems to be negative guy.
- easp 17y ago
  I don't know, he's been pretty enthusiastic about a lot of things, and, anticipating snarks, not just his own work. To take one of your examples, he was quite enthusiastic about Twitter, championed it in the early days and staring building on it. Even earlier, I seem to recall him being supportive of Ev Williams and Blogger way back when it was, arguably, a competitor to Dave's Frontier and Radio products. I think a lot of people don't appreciate the amount of expeience the guy has in the tech industry or what it has taught him. He embraced the web back when a lot of geeks were still in diapers, and before that had a decade or more as an entrepreneur/developer in desktop software. He's definitely opinionated, and can be abrasive, but his stance is generally that of an advocate for both users and small developers. He likes accessable interoperability and hates it when big companies come in late and try to coopt standards to their advantage by pushing complexity to shut early innovators and upstarts out of the space.
1010011010 17y ago
"Wahh, it's not rss and rsscloud-based."

15 points by andre 17y ago

tumult 17y ago

7 paragraphs and 0 to say.

deleted 17y ago
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Semiapies 17y ago
But at least each paragraph had its own permalink.
- CUViper 17y ago
  But they're indexed anchors, so if he ever inserts or reorders content, the links will break.
  - Semiapies 17y ago
    Clearly, his individually indexed paragraphs are undying prose that mustn't be modified.

robotron 17y ago

Winer and the majority (all?) of those commenting act as if Gmail has been this walled-off pristine email client. WRONG. There is chat, RSS feeds, SMS, Calendar, Docs, Location and iGoogle gadgets, etc all bundled up in Gmail if you want them. It has never been just about email and might as well absorb status updates and Wave-isms. These people sound just like users complaining about every little change with Facebook.

waterlesscloud 17y ago
How many use those features? So there's an indication of how many will use Buzz.
- houseabsolute 17y ago
  All I'm saying is that I can't understand how anyone who uses Twitter regularly can claim to be bored with Buzz in an intellectually honest way.
  - robryan 17y ago
    It's the same criticism people have had with wave really "I log in, nothing much is happening, it's boring" Wouldn't facebook be pretty much the same if all your friends weren't posting?
    - houseabsolute 17y ago
      Fair enough, but considering Buzz has only rolled out to a small portion of gmail users, it's a premature in the extreme (hence "intellectually dishonest") to claim to be bored with it.
- robotron 17y ago
  What indication? Are usage metrics on those features public knowledge or something?
- enjo 17y ago
  I have no idea... do you? I use google-talk within gmail on a regular basis. All of our documents are in google docs. My calendar (both social and work) is a google calendar. While I'm not terribly interested in buzz, I'm not about to write it off simply because I'm not interested. The articles assertion that it's doomed by its API is just ludicrous. Twitters API is rather simple and plugging in yet another social network API hardly seems like a big project at this point. They're all pretty well abstracted out at this point.

jonknee 17y ago

I don't think Dave could bring himself to enjoy anything that prominently features Atom, PubSubHubbub and OAuth. Dave didn't invent these things and as such Dave's personal development stack doesn't support these things.

tcskeptic 17y ago
I'm just surprised that Buzz doesn't somehow reinvent an application he deployed 3 years ago (which sank like a stone unnoticed) but is now evidence of Google's evil intentions to destroy his established internet standard.
glower 17y ago
you're full of shit. my stack supports oauth and atom. havent seen the need to do anything with pshb yet, but if i do i'll support it too.

caryme 17y ago

I might be mistaken, but didn't they say in the Q&A portion of the announcement that today's API release is only the beginning and we should expect a more featured API by Google I/O?

zitterbewegung 17y ago

I'm not bored with buzz after a few minutes. Looks like someone is trying to capitalize on the hype of buzz (to catch the buzz so to speak) for their own blog by saying it sucks.

nym 17y ago

Dave Whiner.

mgrouchy 17y ago

Seems to me that Dave Winer is always down on something. If its not Buzz its twitter or PubSubHubbub its something else. I don't know Mr. Winer, so I try not to judge, but to me he just seems to be negative guy.

easp 17y ago
I don't know, he's been pretty enthusiastic about a lot of things, and, anticipating snarks, not just his own work. To take one of your examples, he was quite enthusiastic about Twitter, championed it in the early days and staring building on it. Even earlier, I seem to recall him being supportive of Ev Williams and Blogger way back when it was, arguably, a competitor to Dave's Frontier and Radio products. I think a lot of people don't appreciate the amount of expeience the guy has in the tech industry or what it has taught him. He embraced the web back when a lot of geeks were still in diapers, and before that had a decade or more as an entrepreneur/developer in desktop software. He's definitely opinionated, and can be abrasive, but his stance is generally that of an advocate for both users and small developers. He likes accessable interoperability and hates it when big companies come in late and try to coopt standards to their advantage by pushing complexity to shut early innovators and upstarts out of the space.

1010011010 17y ago

"Wahh, it's not rss and rsscloud-based."