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I see one point that would be illegal in Canada. All the others have language that makes them far more broad than any restrictions placed on our media here. But

by jsloss 11y ago

I see one point that would be illegal in Canada. All the others have language that makes them far more broad than any restrictions placed on our media here. But I'm probably brainwashed just like you my friend.

Mikeb85 11y ago
2, 3 and 5 are illegal in Canada (disclosing state secrets, inciting ethnic hatred/violence, and slander).
- refurb 11y ago
  That's a generous reading of those points. You're not including everything. #2 - endangering national security, or harming national honor and interests [national honor? not illegal in Canada] #3 - undermining national unity, or going against ethnic customs and habits [going against ethnic habits? not illegal in Canada] #5 - insulting or slandering others, infringing upon the legitimate rights of others [I'll give you that slander and infringing rights is illegal in Canada, insulting is not] Note that all of these are vague, intentionally vague at that. Whether or not you violated these rules is entirely up to the interpretation of the CCP.
  - Mikeb85 11y ago
    > You're not including everything. And you're not including the first words of each bullet point, which clearly ARE illegal here. - disclosing state secrets, endangering national security, or harming national honor and interests Illegal, possibly illegal, and while we don't have a concept of national 'honor', going against national interests can be illegal, depending on context. - inciting ethnic hatred or ethnic discrimination, undermining national unity, or going against ethnic customs and habits Even the second point (inciting ethnic discrimination) is contrary to our hate speech laws, and the first point definitely is. - spreading rumors, disturbing social order, or undermining social stability I didn't include this because it's a maybe, but unfounded rumours are often considered slander, and disturbing social order is often considered hate speech (though not always). - insulting or slandering others, infringing upon the legitimate rights of others Illegal. > Note that all of these are vague, intentionally vague at that. Whether or not you violated these rules is entirely up to the interpretation of the CCP. You're not familiar with 'common law', are you? Canada's law system (I assume the same holds true for other countries who adopted Britain's system of laws) isn't set in stone, are quite a bit is left to interpretation. It's not particularly unusual. For instance, our last government used an anti-terrorism law to try strip the citizenship of and deport someone who was born in Canada, on the basis that he 'could' be eligible for citizenship in a country he's never stepped foot in. Granted he was convicted of a crime, but goes to show that, even in Canada laws can be interpreted rather broadly.
    - refurb 11y ago
      I think you missed my point. I was highlighting the parts you left out. You said "Point #3 is illegal in Canada" when in fact, it isn't. Only part of it is. I'm familiar with common law and I wouldn't compare common law in Canada will the law in China.
      - Mikeb85 11y ago
        I left it out? I put a brief rundown of the bullet points in 1 line between parentheses. Fact remains, we're shitting on China for banning things that are already banned in many non-totalitarian countries.
    - jacobolus 11y ago
      “Insulting others” is illegal in Canada? Edit: “Insult” and “slander” are two entirely different things. To insult is to speak disrespectfully or abusively about someone. An insult would be something like “Donald Trump is an asshole.” To slander is to make false defamatory statements about someone, e.g. “I saw Donald Trump kick a puppy.”
      - Mikeb85 11y ago
        Slander is, yes. If you can prove its truthful it's OK, if it's provably false it's illegal, and you can take the offending party to court. Edit - publicly insulting someone often falls into slander, depending on what was said. In Canada all charges are pressed by the crown, so to a certain degree they decide what's what. In general, if there's the possibility of damages arising from the insults, it can be prosecuted. Edit2 - here's an interesting one for you: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/insulting-police-online-banned-by-granby-que-bylaw-1.3061023 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/insulting-police-onli...
  - jbm 11y ago
    > #3 - undermining national unity, or going against ethnic customs and habits [going against ethnic habits? not illegal in Canada] Undermining national unity is not illegal in Canada - even to the point where a political party was advocating the separation of Quebec (BQ) and a Bloc Quebecois MP tried to incite members of the Canadian Forces to desert and join a possible Quebec military if Quebec separated from Canada. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marc_Jacob https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marc_Jacob "Jacob faced accusations that he advised Quebec members of the Canadian Forces to join a Quebec army if there was a winning vote for Quebec sovereignty in the 1995 Quebec referendum. The prevailing Liberal government decided to investigate these remarks, while the Reform Party demanded Jacob be charged with sedition.[2]" In the end he wasn't charged with anything
- jmccaf 11y ago
  Additionally, above the bullet points it states that only companies 100% owned (and operated) in china can publish . This self-centered North American still reads al-jazeera, Guardian , and Der Spiegel .
  - duaneb 11y ago
    Is there any idea how long al-jazeera america will continue to publish online? I'm sad to see them go.

by jsloss 11y ago

Mikeb85 11y ago

2, 3 and 5 are illegal in Canada (disclosing state secrets, inciting ethnic hatred/violence, and slander).

refurb 11y ago
That's a generous reading of those points. You're not including everything. #2 - endangering national security, or harming national honor and interests [national honor? not illegal in Canada] #3 - undermining national unity, or going against ethnic customs and habits [going against ethnic habits? not illegal in Canada] #5 - insulting or slandering others, infringing upon the legitimate rights of others [I'll give you that slander and infringing rights is illegal in Canada, insulting is not] Note that all of these are vague, intentionally vague at that. Whether or not you violated these rules is entirely up to the interpretation of the CCP.
- Mikeb85 11y ago
  > You're not including everything. And you're not including the first words of each bullet point, which clearly ARE illegal here. - disclosing state secrets, endangering national security, or harming national honor and interests Illegal, possibly illegal, and while we don't have a concept of national 'honor', going against national interests can be illegal, depending on context. - inciting ethnic hatred or ethnic discrimination, undermining national unity, or going against ethnic customs and habits Even the second point (inciting ethnic discrimination) is contrary to our hate speech laws, and the first point definitely is. - spreading rumors, disturbing social order, or undermining social stability I didn't include this because it's a maybe, but unfounded rumours are often considered slander, and disturbing social order is often considered hate speech (though not always). - insulting or slandering others, infringing upon the legitimate rights of others Illegal. > Note that all of these are vague, intentionally vague at that. Whether or not you violated these rules is entirely up to the interpretation of the CCP. You're not familiar with 'common law', are you? Canada's law system (I assume the same holds true for other countries who adopted Britain's system of laws) isn't set in stone, are quite a bit is left to interpretation. It's not particularly unusual. For instance, our last government used an anti-terrorism law to try strip the citizenship of and deport someone who was born in Canada, on the basis that he 'could' be eligible for citizenship in a country he's never stepped foot in. Granted he was convicted of a crime, but goes to show that, even in Canada laws can be interpreted rather broadly.
  - refurb 11y ago
    I think you missed my point. I was highlighting the parts you left out. You said "Point #3 is illegal in Canada" when in fact, it isn't. Only part of it is. I'm familiar with common law and I wouldn't compare common law in Canada will the law in China.
    - Mikeb85 11y ago
      I left it out? I put a brief rundown of the bullet points in 1 line between parentheses. Fact remains, we're shitting on China for banning things that are already banned in many non-totalitarian countries.
  - jacobolus 11y ago
    “Insulting others” is illegal in Canada? Edit: “Insult” and “slander” are two entirely different things. To insult is to speak disrespectfully or abusively about someone. An insult would be something like “Donald Trump is an asshole.” To slander is to make false defamatory statements about someone, e.g. “I saw Donald Trump kick a puppy.”
    - Mikeb85 11y ago
      Slander is, yes. If you can prove its truthful it's OK, if it's provably false it's illegal, and you can take the offending party to court. Edit - publicly insulting someone often falls into slander, depending on what was said. In Canada all charges are pressed by the crown, so to a certain degree they decide what's what. In general, if there's the possibility of damages arising from the insults, it can be prosecuted. Edit2 - here's an interesting one for you: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/insulting-police-online-banned-by-granby-que-bylaw-1.3061023 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/insulting-police-onli...
- jbm 11y ago
  > #3 - undermining national unity, or going against ethnic customs and habits [going against ethnic habits? not illegal in Canada] Undermining national unity is not illegal in Canada - even to the point where a political party was advocating the separation of Quebec (BQ) and a Bloc Quebecois MP tried to incite members of the Canadian Forces to desert and join a possible Quebec military if Quebec separated from Canada. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marc_Jacob https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marc_Jacob "Jacob faced accusations that he advised Quebec members of the Canadian Forces to join a Quebec army if there was a winning vote for Quebec sovereignty in the 1995 Quebec referendum. The prevailing Liberal government decided to investigate these remarks, while the Reform Party demanded Jacob be charged with sedition.[2]" In the end he wasn't charged with anything
jmccaf 11y ago
Additionally, above the bullet points it states that only companies 100% owned (and operated) in china can publish . This self-centered North American still reads al-jazeera, Guardian , and Der Spiegel .
- duaneb 11y ago
  Is there any idea how long al-jazeera america will continue to publish online? I'm sad to see them go.