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Can the YC/Ron Conway investment strategy work for smaller angels?

10 points by epi0Bauqu 17y ago

aditya 17y ago
Perhaps if you invest with other angels, you can increase the odds. You and joshu you should start the Hacker News SUPER MEGA ANGEL Fund. :-) I don't think there's anything wrong with keeping potential exits in mind, however it seems that most startups change the idea they're building over time, so betting on the team (pg style, and from what I know Ron does this too) rather than the idea or potential market/future acquisition might still work out better. All that being said, I'm not sure how you would maximize returns, especially because of all the unpredictability.
- epi0Bauqu 17y ago
  Angels do often invest with each other, if only because they don't want to put in enough money individually to fill out a round. And there are a lot of angel funds where that co-investing process is more formalized (shared due diligence funds, etc.). I don't think, however, that co-investing by itself really increases the odds. Maybe if I co-invested with someone who picks better or gets better deal flow :). But without increasing the actual # of deals, I don't see how you get closer to those big hits. As for ideas changing, the argument is not to bet against that fact, which would be silly, but instead to bet that the second or third idea will be similar to the bigness potential of the first. That is, if the founder can't come up with an initial idea that doesn't seem like it can realistically result in any kind of decent exit, the probability that they will random walk to one in the future drops. It's of course not zero, but I'm just saying you can increase the odds.
apower 17y ago
Is investing <25K from you a bit too little? I know YC invests very little but at least they have whole bunch 'intangibles' come with it. That makes the small investment a bit easier to swallow. What do you bring to the table beside 25K?
- epi0Bauqu 17y ago
  25 seems pretty standard for angels, or even less if you get funding from an angel fund. That is the round may be 200K, but people may put in 10-25K. I personally think I bring a lot. Check out my Web site for more info (in my profile). I'm willing to be very hands-on and bring all my experience (both business and technical) to help the startup become a success.

10 points by epi0Bauqu 17y ago

Perhaps if you invest with other angels, you can increase the odds. You and joshu you should start the Hacker News SUPER MEGA ANGEL Fund. :-) I don't think there's anything wrong with keeping potential exits in mind, however it seems that most startups change the idea they're building over time, so betting on the team (pg style, and from what I know Ron does this too) rather than the idea or potential market/future acquisition might still work out better. All that being said, I'm not sure how you would maximize returns, especially because of all the unpredictability.

epi0Bauqu 17y ago
Angels do often invest with each other, if only because they don't want to put in enough money individually to fill out a round. And there are a lot of angel funds where that co-investing process is more formalized (shared due diligence funds, etc.). I don't think, however, that co-investing by itself really increases the odds. Maybe if I co-invested with someone who picks better or gets better deal flow :). But without increasing the actual # of deals, I don't see how you get closer to those big hits. As for ideas changing, the argument is not to bet against that fact, which would be silly, but instead to bet that the second or third idea will be similar to the bigness potential of the first. That is, if the founder can't come up with an initial idea that doesn't seem like it can realistically result in any kind of decent exit, the probability that they will random walk to one in the future drops. It's of course not zero, but I'm just saying you can increase the odds.

apower 17y ago

Is investing <25K from you a bit too little? I know YC invests very little but at least they have whole bunch 'intangibles' come with it. That makes the small investment a bit easier to swallow. What do you bring to the table beside 25K?

epi0Bauqu 17y ago
25 seems pretty standard for angels, or even less if you get funding from an angel fund. That is the round may be 200K, but people may put in 10-25K. I personally think I bring a lot. Check out my Web site for more info (in my profile). I'm willing to be very hands-on and bring all my experience (both business and technical) to help the startup become a success.