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Before we start admiring things, let's see what happens on Super Tuesday (12 days away). Nothing of what Sanders is doing is going to survive past a left prima

by ck2 11y ago

Before we start admiring things, let's see what happens on Super Tuesday (12 days away). Nothing of what Sanders is doing is going to survive past a left primary. Absolutely nothing he is promising can be done without Congress. ------------ reply to below since I can only answer two replies on HN anymore before being blocked: Wrong comparison. That's like wanting to be manager when you have only worked at a company for a couple years. Come on now. If Sanders ideas can work so well, why don't all these eager people first implement them at a local level where they have more immediate power? Nope, they want to go directly to the executive because it is a figurehead. Sanders comes from a 96% WHITE state - they are ridiculously homogeneous and are nothing like the rest of the United States. Only Maine is whiter. Why is his state like that in the 21st century? Why does everyone else feel unwelcome to live there? Sanders will never attract the 3-4% of undecided voters and we will end up with Trump picking the next few supreme court judges. Why are you okay with losing the presidency for the next eight years based on theoretical ideas that are not proven to work anywhere and won't get voted for by the masses?

hanniabu 11y ago
"I really want a raise at work, but that can't be done without my boss. So I'm just not even going to try" Sounds kind of ridiculous, right?
weatherlight 11y ago
Ideas are powerful. What Sanders' rise (and to some extent, Trump's) symbolize political system whose representatives that are woefully out of touch with its constituents. I think congress and the Senate is next, we are going to see a huge shake up in each party from the top down. Don't be surprised if we start seeing more Sanders-like-citizens running for Congress. We live in interesting times.
- bhaumik 11y ago
  It's already happening. > https://newrepublic.com/article/129047/bernies-army-running-congress https://newrepublic.com/article/129047/bernies-army-running-... > https://www.reddit.com/r/grassrootsselect https://www.reddit.com/r/grassrootsselect
- maxerickson 11y ago
  I think you mean candidates. The electorate is the subset of constituents that can vote.
  - weatherlight 11y ago
    yes...will edit, and thanks!
sigmar 11y ago
We can't have articles about his campaign because he might not win? Regardless of who wins, these tech volunteers campaigned for him in innovative ways and that is worthy of reporting
GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago
> . Only Maine is whiter. Why is his state like that in the 21st century As someone currently living in Maine, people don't move here for reasons like "there are no jobs" and "have you seen what kind of weather they have".
- ck2 11y ago
  Except Vermont is no Maine. It literally borders NY and Mass. - there is no excuse why it has near-zero diversity other than it simply doesn't make people welcome who do not fit existing mindsets. That's a horrible model for the USA and would never work. Like I keep saying, if Sander's ideas are so good, prove them on a local, regional and state level. Even Obama's healthcare plan was simply a nationwide attempt at what Romney already created, but then it got too many cooks (aka Congress) tampering with it. Where's is Sanders version of Romney?
  - GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago
    "There are no jobs" and "have you seen what kind of weather they have" apply just as much to Vermont as they do to Maine. (fewer killer clowns or vampires tho). The "next to NY/MA" is a bit disingenuous; there's hardly anything on the NY side of the border, and even less on the MA side.
venomsnake 11y ago
The SJW managed to alienate a lot of people the last couple of years. And now they support Hilary. And with that are doing her a great disservice. Right now they are busy insulting their own party and their own electorate. And even you managed to imply that a majority white state is somehow strange, undesirable and barbed fortress. That is a great way to win hearts and minds for Hilary's campaign.
jefurii 11y ago
> If Sanders ideas can work so well, why don't all these eager people first implement them at a local level where they have more immediate power? Nope, they want to go directly to the executive because it is a figurehead. Lots of people don't pay attention to or vote in local elections so those aren't even on their radar. You raise a good point though. There's discussion in the Sanders subreddits about doing exactly this, both as a way to channel the energy of his supporters if he doesn't get elected, and as a way to support him if he does.
- ck2 11y ago
  Remember the Tea Party? As insane as they were, they at least grasped the idea that while the excutive president of the US was a nice figurehead to shoot for, the real power was on local, county and state level figures. Then they turned around and made their dream come true in Kansas which is now a horrible place to live. But they did it - the found their path to make it happen. If Sanders people want that kind of accomplishment, they need to look at all the levels way before the executive which has no power today other than supreme court appointees.
spdy 11y ago
He is not radical or left when seen from an EU view and with 20 years experience on Capitol Hill he knows exactly how the game is played. So he is able to get stuff done i have no doubt about that. Two of his main agenda points are no-brainers: - Medicare for all - Tuition Free College And he is right with his assessment that the rising inequality is not a good thing for our future. Two Youtube videos: https://youtu.be/hv11kl6i-qU?t=3920 https://youtu.be/hv11kl6i-qU?t=3920 Talk with Bernie Sanders in 2014 where he goes on what it takes to change this system. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBx2Y5HhplI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBx2Y5HhplI Ted Talk from a Nick Hanauer on inequality
rbanffy 11y ago
> If Sanders ideas can work so well, They do. Look across the Atlantic.

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hanniabu 11y ago

"I really want a raise at work, but that can't be done without my boss. So I'm just not even going to try" Sounds kind of ridiculous, right?

weatherlight 11y ago

Ideas are powerful. What Sanders' rise (and to some extent, Trump's) symbolize political system whose representatives that are woefully out of touch with its constituents. I think congress and the Senate is next, we are going to see a huge shake up in each party from the top down. Don't be surprised if we start seeing more Sanders-like-citizens running for Congress. We live in interesting times.

bhaumik 11y ago
It's already happening. > https://newrepublic.com/article/129047/bernies-army-running-congress https://newrepublic.com/article/129047/bernies-army-running-... > https://www.reddit.com/r/grassrootsselect https://www.reddit.com/r/grassrootsselect
maxerickson 11y ago
I think you mean candidates. The electorate is the subset of constituents that can vote.
- weatherlight 11y ago
  yes...will edit, and thanks!

sigmar 11y ago

We can't have articles about his campaign because he might not win? Regardless of who wins, these tech volunteers campaigned for him in innovative ways and that is worthy of reporting

GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago

> . Only Maine is whiter. Why is his state like that in the 21st century As someone currently living in Maine, people don't move here for reasons like "there are no jobs" and "have you seen what kind of weather they have".

ck2 11y ago
Except Vermont is no Maine. It literally borders NY and Mass. - there is no excuse why it has near-zero diversity other than it simply doesn't make people welcome who do not fit existing mindsets. That's a horrible model for the USA and would never work. Like I keep saying, if Sander's ideas are so good, prove them on a local, regional and state level. Even Obama's healthcare plan was simply a nationwide attempt at what Romney already created, but then it got too many cooks (aka Congress) tampering with it. Where's is Sanders version of Romney?
- GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago
  "There are no jobs" and "have you seen what kind of weather they have" apply just as much to Vermont as they do to Maine. (fewer killer clowns or vampires tho). The "next to NY/MA" is a bit disingenuous; there's hardly anything on the NY side of the border, and even less on the MA side.

venomsnake 11y ago

The SJW managed to alienate a lot of people the last couple of years. And now they support Hilary. And with that are doing her a great disservice. Right now they are busy insulting their own party and their own electorate. And even you managed to imply that a majority white state is somehow strange, undesirable and barbed fortress. That is a great way to win hearts and minds for Hilary's campaign.

jefurii 11y ago

> If Sanders ideas can work so well, why don't all these eager people first implement them at a local level where they have more immediate power? Nope, they want to go directly to the executive because it is a figurehead. Lots of people don't pay attention to or vote in local elections so those aren't even on their radar. You raise a good point though. There's discussion in the Sanders subreddits about doing exactly this, both as a way to channel the energy of his supporters if he doesn't get elected, and as a way to support him if he does.

ck2 11y ago
Remember the Tea Party? As insane as they were, they at least grasped the idea that while the excutive president of the US was a nice figurehead to shoot for, the real power was on local, county and state level figures. Then they turned around and made their dream come true in Kansas which is now a horrible place to live. But they did it - the found their path to make it happen. If Sanders people want that kind of accomplishment, they need to look at all the levels way before the executive which has no power today other than supreme court appointees.

spdy 11y ago

He is not radical or left when seen from an EU view and with 20 years experience on Capitol Hill he knows exactly how the game is played. So he is able to get stuff done i have no doubt about that. Two of his main agenda points are no-brainers: - Medicare for all - Tuition Free College And he is right with his assessment that the rising inequality is not a good thing for our future. Two Youtube videos: https://youtu.be/hv11kl6i-qU?t=3920 https://youtu.be/hv11kl6i-qU?t=3920 Talk with Bernie Sanders in 2014 where he goes on what it takes to change this system. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBx2Y5HhplI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBx2Y5HhplI Ted Talk from a Nick Hanauer on inequality

rbanffy 11y ago

> If Sanders ideas can work so well, They do. Look across the Atlantic.