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Could it be possible that the government want to lose in this case(and in the media) - creating a strong illusion that the iPhone is 100% safe from spying ? How

by petra 11y ago

Could it be possible that the government want to lose in this case(and in the media) - creating a strong illusion that the iPhone is 100% safe from spying ? How valuable such an illusion would be ?

mentat 11y ago
Most people who think about this stuff often seem to think that TAO already has access and the only purpose is to create a precedent to use this legal process against anyone.
- Fr0styMatt88 11y ago
  What is TAO?
  - genkaos 11y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailored_Access_Operations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailored_Access_Operations
- Phlarp 11y ago
  Do you really think that the information in this phone is otherwise beyond the reach of all mankind? Spare a few snowflake engineers and managers at Apple? There are dozens if not hundreds of viable methods to obtain this info, FBI is choosing to pursue the court order route instead of any of the other forensic tools available to them. The simple fact of the matter is that the encrypted data and the key to decrypt it both live in a piece of physical hardware on the device-- no matter how well obfuscated it is, it can still be analyzed and recovered by a sufficiently advanced technical entity. This is exactly the type of work that NSA TAO exists to accomplish, and they are widely regarded as one of the best organizations of this kind in the world.
sp332 11y ago
In fact, they swore to it. https://twitter.com/mmasnick/status/700394031218499584 https://twitter.com/mmasnick/status/700394031218499584
- petra 11y ago
  Who swore on it ? how high is he on the org chart ? is it possible that he is being kept in the dark ,intentionally ? or could such skills only availble at other agencies ,but the knowledge acquired can be shared ,like it has been in the past ?
  - sp332 11y ago
    The source link is a few tweets down. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2714170-SB-Shooter-MOTION-Seeking-Asst-iPhone.html https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2714170-SB-Shooter-M... The signatures are on page 20 but they're the same names as on the first page: Eileen M. Decker, United States Attorney Patricia A Donahue, Assistant US Attorney & Chief, National Security Division Tracy L. Wilkinson, Assistant US Attorney Allen W. Chiu, Assistant US Attorney
    - petra 11y ago
      But the guy who said the specific statement you mentioned is just the regional director of the orange county forensic department in the FBI , Christopher Pluhar @pg 21.

by petra 11y ago

Could it be possible that the government want to lose in this case(and in the media) - creating a strong illusion that the iPhone is 100% safe from spying ? How valuable such an illusion would be ?

mentat 11y ago

Most people who think about this stuff often seem to think that TAO already has access and the only purpose is to create a precedent to use this legal process against anyone.

Fr0styMatt88 11y ago
What is TAO?
- genkaos 11y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailored_Access_Operations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailored_Access_Operations
Phlarp 11y ago
Do you really think that the information in this phone is otherwise beyond the reach of all mankind? Spare a few snowflake engineers and managers at Apple? There are dozens if not hundreds of viable methods to obtain this info, FBI is choosing to pursue the court order route instead of any of the other forensic tools available to them. The simple fact of the matter is that the encrypted data and the key to decrypt it both live in a piece of physical hardware on the device-- no matter how well obfuscated it is, it can still be analyzed and recovered by a sufficiently advanced technical entity. This is exactly the type of work that NSA TAO exists to accomplish, and they are widely regarded as one of the best organizations of this kind in the world.

sp332 11y ago

In fact, they swore to it. https://twitter.com/mmasnick/status/700394031218499584 https://twitter.com/mmasnick/status/700394031218499584

petra 11y ago
Who swore on it ? how high is he on the org chart ? is it possible that he is being kept in the dark ,intentionally ? or could such skills only availble at other agencies ,but the knowledge acquired can be shared ,like it has been in the past ?
- sp332 11y ago
  The source link is a few tweets down. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2714170-SB-Shooter-MOTION-Seeking-Asst-iPhone.html https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2714170-SB-Shooter-M... The signatures are on page 20 but they're the same names as on the first page: Eileen M. Decker, United States Attorney Patricia A Donahue, Assistant US Attorney & Chief, National Security Division Tracy L. Wilkinson, Assistant US Attorney Allen W. Chiu, Assistant US Attorney
  - petra 11y ago
    But the guy who said the specific statement you mentioned is just the regional director of the orange county forensic department in the FBI , Christopher Pluhar @pg 21.