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> It's not rude to question assumptions or to ask where someone gets their data from. It is absolutely rude to demand proof in a conversation. And this is a fo

by maratd 11y ago

> It's not rude to question assumptions or to ask where someone gets their data from. It is absolutely rude to demand proof in a conversation. And this is a forum for having conversations. A conversation isn't a research project or the pursuit of absolute truth. It's merely a social convention to find out what others are thinking and feeling. To go around telling people they're liars or to ask them to prove that they're not liars is rude beyond belief in such a setting. If you feel so passionate about the issue, do your own research and provide your own citations against. Nothing wrong with that. But demand that the person who said something you don't like should do it for you? Rude.

chris_wot 11y ago
Well, then, we have a fundamental difference of opinion. If I see someone make claims that the vast majority of homeless people are completely unhelpable because of a specific example which they have observed anecdotally, then I'll ask for empirical evidence. Nobody is calling that person a liar. Asking someone for evidence does not necessarily mean they consider that person a liar. They may believe they are mistaken. They may be interested in understanding how they came to their conclusions. They may want to understand why someone's world view is so different to their own. You should ask yourself why you consider asking for evidence on a discussion forum rude. It sounds like you feel it's overly confrontational. If that's the case, then you might want to consider your own confrontation (ala "If you feel so passionate about the issue, do your own research and provide your own citations against. Nothing wrong with that. But demand that the person who said something you don't like should do it for you? Rude.")
- maratd 11y ago
  > You should ask yourself why you consider asking for evidence on a discussion forum rude. It sounds like you feel it's overly confrontational. I already answered this question, multiple times. It has nothing to do with being confrontational. It has to do with being RUDE. Rude: discourteous or impolite, especially in a deliberate way [1] [1] http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rude http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rude Nobody owes you ANY citations. You are being LAZY by demanding them. That LAZINESS is RUDE. If you disagree with someone, get off your lazy ass, go on Google, find evidence to the contrary and share. If you're too lazy to do that, then STFU instead of posting "citation needed". That doesn't add to the discussion. It's nothing more than an expression of displeasure with absolutely no effort to enhance the conversation.
  - chris_wot 11y ago
    You are being incredibly rude to me. Kind of ironic really. I think this is the end of me discussing this with you now :-)
  - dang 11y ago
    You made a legit and helpful point upthread, but then your comments became at least as bad as the ones you were criticizing. This is just awful stuff, and I'm sure you know better. Please don't be uncivil on HN in the future.

by maratd 11y ago

chris_wot 11y ago

Well, then, we have a fundamental difference of opinion. If I see someone make claims that the vast majority of homeless people are completely unhelpable because of a specific example which they have observed anecdotally, then I'll ask for empirical evidence. Nobody is calling that person a liar. Asking someone for evidence does not necessarily mean they consider that person a liar. They may believe they are mistaken. They may be interested in understanding how they came to their conclusions. They may want to understand why someone's world view is so different to their own. You should ask yourself why you consider asking for evidence on a discussion forum rude. It sounds like you feel it's overly confrontational. If that's the case, then you might want to consider your own confrontation (ala "If you feel so passionate about the issue, do your own research and provide your own citations against. Nothing wrong with that. But demand that the person who said something you don't like should do it for you? Rude.")

maratd 11y ago
> You should ask yourself why you consider asking for evidence on a discussion forum rude. It sounds like you feel it's overly confrontational. I already answered this question, multiple times. It has nothing to do with being confrontational. It has to do with being RUDE. Rude: discourteous or impolite, especially in a deliberate way [1] [1] http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rude http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rude Nobody owes you ANY citations. You are being LAZY by demanding them. That LAZINESS is RUDE. If you disagree with someone, get off your lazy ass, go on Google, find evidence to the contrary and share. If you're too lazy to do that, then STFU instead of posting "citation needed". That doesn't add to the discussion. It's nothing more than an expression of displeasure with absolutely no effort to enhance the conversation.
- chris_wot 11y ago
  You are being incredibly rude to me. Kind of ironic really. I think this is the end of me discussing this with you now :-)
- dang 11y ago
  You made a legit and helpful point upthread, but then your comments became at least as bad as the ones you were criticizing. This is just awful stuff, and I'm sure you know better. Please don't be uncivil on HN in the future.