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What the law actually requires is clicking for 52 hours. But lets take your claim as a premise; why is it important that a person spend time learning? Suppose

What the law actually requires is clicking for 52 hours. But lets take your claim as a premise; why is it important that a person spend time learning? Suppose two people know the material equally well, but one of them learned it faster than the other. Why is that a good regulation? How does it benefit consumers to make it illegal to learn things fast? I know a former algebraic geometer (lots of category theory) who learned Haskell very rapidly. Would it benefit consumers of his services to pass a law saying he needs to learn Haskell at a slower rate comparable to a RoR hipster without a math PhD?

CPLX 11y ago
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you have no idea what the law actually requires in detail. It's ok neither did I. Here's an example of what it looks like, there is a lot more on the linked pages, which collectively comprise the actual requirements: https://govt.westlaw.com/calregs/Document/ID813F6A0622011E4A9828577DD5F1BF2?viewType=FullText&originationContext=documenttoc&transitionType=CategoryPageItem&contextData=(sc.Default) https://govt.westlaw.com/calregs/Document/ID813F6A0622011E4A... > why is it important that a person spend time learning? Suppose two people know the material equally well, but one of them learned it faster than the other. Why is that a good regulation? How does it benefit consumers to make it illegal to learn things fast? I don't know. But I do know that basically every educational institution requires some level of engagement measured in time. You can't just pass tests to get an undergrad degree or a PhD either. The requirement to spend actual time is hardly cruel and unusual. I also know that the requirements were clear enough to be known to Zenefits and they willfully evaded them. What is the difference between a Harvard graduate in Economics and someone who attended and completed all the requirements for an Econ degree but was short one art elective class and never got a degree? Should he just fudge his job applications since the art class isn't important? What's the difference between someone assigned 100 hours of court ordered community service who did it and someone who went back to court with forged paperwork saying they did it? In all the examples, and Zenefits as well, the difference is that the person is committing fraud, is lying, and is not ethical. Cheating on requirements isn't the same as arguing to change the rules, regardless of how confused you continue to pretend to be about it.
- yummyfajitas 11y ago
  Academic institutions are paid by the credit or by the year. Of course they will insist on receiving a minimum amount of money before giving out the precious certification. heating on requirements isn't the same as arguing to change the rules, regardless of how confused you continue to pretend to be about it. Try to pay attention. Above you said that you'd argue against changing the rules. I asked you to justify that, and it sounds like you don't have much of an argument beyond "well universities do it too".
  - dang 11y ago
    > Try to pay attention. Please don't be uncivil. This comment would be fine without that bit.
- dsp1234 11y ago
  You can't just pass tests to get an undergrad degree Yes you can. Almost every school has a procedure for taking a test or convincing a professor that you have the knowledge the class provides. You still pay the cost of the course, but do not actually attend it. Getting my degree many, many years after entering the field, I skipped a huge swath of undergrad classes this way. Stuff like non-computer related classes was all that I needed to do 'in person'. In other words, I skipped 'pressing buttons' for a large chunk of time due to fact that I knew the material and could prove it. The main difference to the above being that the school recognized that it was possible for a student to understand the core material completely without taking the class, and the above rules do not admit that possibility.
  - frotak 11y ago
    Getting my degree many, many years after entering the field So would you say you had experiential learning in the subject matter of the classes you were being allowed to skip after demonstrating both evidence of this experiential learning and the attendant competency? Testing out of a course due to earned knowledge is different from passing a multiple choice exam with Cliff Notes awareness of the material.
st3v3r 11y ago
"What the law actually requires is clicking for 52 hours." No it doesn't, and by saying that, you're telling the rest of us that you don't actually understand what's going on, but you want to seem "edgy", and "disruptive".

CPLX 11y ago

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you have no idea what the law actually requires in detail. It's ok neither did I. Here's an example of what it looks like, there is a lot more on the linked pages, which collectively comprise the actual requirements: https://govt.westlaw.com/calregs/Document/ID813F6A0622011E4A9828577DD5F1BF2?viewType=FullText&originationContext=documenttoc&transitionType=CategoryPageItem&contextData=(sc.Default) https://govt.westlaw.com/calregs/Document/ID813F6A0622011E4A... > why is it important that a person spend time learning? Suppose two people know the material equally well, but one of them learned it faster than the other. Why is that a good regulation? How does it benefit consumers to make it illegal to learn things fast? I don't know. But I do know that basically every educational institution requires some level of engagement measured in time. You can't just pass tests to get an undergrad degree or a PhD either. The requirement to spend actual time is hardly cruel and unusual. I also know that the requirements were clear enough to be known to Zenefits and they willfully evaded them. What is the difference between a Harvard graduate in Economics and someone who attended and completed all the requirements for an Econ degree but was short one art elective class and never got a degree? Should he just fudge his job applications since the art class isn't important? What's the difference between someone assigned 100 hours of court ordered community service who did it and someone who went back to court with forged paperwork saying they did it? In all the examples, and Zenefits as well, the difference is that the person is committing fraud, is lying, and is not ethical. Cheating on requirements isn't the same as arguing to change the rules, regardless of how confused you continue to pretend to be about it.

yummyfajitas 11y ago
Academic institutions are paid by the credit or by the year. Of course they will insist on receiving a minimum amount of money before giving out the precious certification. heating on requirements isn't the same as arguing to change the rules, regardless of how confused you continue to pretend to be about it. Try to pay attention. Above you said that you'd argue against changing the rules. I asked you to justify that, and it sounds like you don't have much of an argument beyond "well universities do it too".
- dang 11y ago
  > Try to pay attention. Please don't be uncivil. This comment would be fine without that bit.
dsp1234 11y ago
You can't just pass tests to get an undergrad degree Yes you can. Almost every school has a procedure for taking a test or convincing a professor that you have the knowledge the class provides. You still pay the cost of the course, but do not actually attend it. Getting my degree many, many years after entering the field, I skipped a huge swath of undergrad classes this way. Stuff like non-computer related classes was all that I needed to do 'in person'. In other words, I skipped 'pressing buttons' for a large chunk of time due to fact that I knew the material and could prove it. The main difference to the above being that the school recognized that it was possible for a student to understand the core material completely without taking the class, and the above rules do not admit that possibility.
- frotak 11y ago
  Getting my degree many, many years after entering the field So would you say you had experiential learning in the subject matter of the classes you were being allowed to skip after demonstrating both evidence of this experiential learning and the attendant competency? Testing out of a course due to earned knowledge is different from passing a multiple choice exam with Cliff Notes awareness of the material.

st3v3r 11y ago

"What the law actually requires is clicking for 52 hours." No it doesn't, and by saying that, you're telling the rest of us that you don't actually understand what's going on, but you want to seem "edgy", and "disruptive".