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Don't Twitter, Facebook, Amazon and Google all make most of their money by having access to their customers data? Of course they're not as supportive of privacy

Don't Twitter, Facebook, Amazon and Google all make most of their money by having access to their customers data? Of course they're not as supportive of privacy as Apple.

georgespencer 11y ago
This isn't the same thing at all.
- unethical_ban 11y ago
  Yes, it is. Apple's fight with the US is based on the fact they facilitate the encryption of user data so that even Apple doesn't see content. When the other titans don't have that feature, they have less of a stake in the argument at hand.
  - georgespencer 11y ago
    That's not the same thing either.
  - blinkingled 11y ago
    Is Google or Microsoft's business model dependent on selling your info to anyone other than themselves? Do you think if they did that they would stand to lose business? Their business model is to sell ads to 3rd parties based on the information they have about you. Selling your info itself would be detrimental to their business.
    - unethical_ban 11y ago
      Gmail skims the contents of emails and uses them for targeted advertising. Same with searches of all kinds, and any other data they get from you. Google's targeting would be less effective if they gave everyone PGP keys and locked themselves out of the conversations they host.
    - calvin_c 11y ago
      Even if they don't sell it, their business model requires that they have access to it. Apple's argument here is that they don't have it.
- bnj 11y ago
  Would you expand on that? The feeling seems to be that these companies rely on access to user data in a way that Apple doesn't- that's true, isn't it?
  - georgespencer 11y ago
    That doesn't mean that they believe the FBI should have the right to unilaterally force software and hardware vendors to build proprietary access to hardware/software which bypasses basic security features. Making money from targeted ads doesn't mean they think the FBI should be able to bypass device security via hardware and software vendors. Basically: making money from data != believing that a right to encryption doesn't exist.

Don't Twitter, Facebook, Amazon and Google all make most of their money by having access to their customers data? Of course they're not as supportive of privacy as Apple.

georgespencer 11y ago

This isn't the same thing at all.

unethical_ban 11y ago
Yes, it is. Apple's fight with the US is based on the fact they facilitate the encryption of user data so that even Apple doesn't see content. When the other titans don't have that feature, they have less of a stake in the argument at hand.
- georgespencer 11y ago
  That's not the same thing either.
- blinkingled 11y ago
  Is Google or Microsoft's business model dependent on selling your info to anyone other than themselves? Do you think if they did that they would stand to lose business? Their business model is to sell ads to 3rd parties based on the information they have about you. Selling your info itself would be detrimental to their business.
  - unethical_ban 11y ago
    Gmail skims the contents of emails and uses them for targeted advertising. Same with searches of all kinds, and any other data they get from you. Google's targeting would be less effective if they gave everyone PGP keys and locked themselves out of the conversations they host.
  - calvin_c 11y ago
    Even if they don't sell it, their business model requires that they have access to it. Apple's argument here is that they don't have it.
bnj 11y ago
Would you expand on that? The feeling seems to be that these companies rely on access to user data in a way that Apple doesn't- that's true, isn't it?
- georgespencer 11y ago
  That doesn't mean that they believe the FBI should have the right to unilaterally force software and hardware vendors to build proprietary access to hardware/software which bypasses basic security features. Making money from targeted ads doesn't mean they think the FBI should be able to bypass device security via hardware and software vendors. Basically: making money from data != believing that a right to encryption doesn't exist.