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Bitbucket secrets

138 points by kannonboy 11y ago

smileysteve 11y ago
How is binary files to "Snippets" different than a dropbox / s3 / slack link? I guess that there is some convenience factor (1 product), but given that binaries and snippets are not version controlled seems out of place.
- kannonboy 11y ago
  Actually, they are versioned. Each snippet is backed by a git repo (or hg, you can choose at creation time). You can clone it to work on it locally too, and push back just like a regular repo. More info here: https://confluence.atlassian.com/bitbucket/snippets-719095082.html https://confluence.atlassian.com/bitbucket/snippets-71909508...
  - smileysteve 11y ago
    Thanks for the answer.
andreineculau 11y ago
Here's the 7th. Every Bitbucket Server admin has a double-digit long list of watched issues. And to go on, plenty dive into Atlassian, because of the ecosystem, but the ecosystem is not at all symbiotic i.e. the products are built separately, implement same functionality, same UI concepts in totally different ways. I know the link is not about the onpremise version but given the onpremise solutions' quality, bitbucket.org is well.. In the same bucket.
- pc86 11y ago
  I desperately wanted to use Atlassian products across the entire workflow at my last job, but it's just too much. Like you said, separately-built products implementing identical functionality, sort-of-similar-but-still-different UIs, it's maddening.
  - kannonboy 11y ago
    We do have a good sized "fusion" team focusing on product integration these days. Their mandate is to not only smooth out the integration process, but also to build some pretty kick-ass features on top of it. For example, between Bitbucket and JIRA these days you can not only view the code changes that relate to issues (and vice versa), but you can also transition issues through your workflow automatically based on the state of your commits, branches, & pull requests. We're also working on unifying the experience across the products. This started with the Atlassian Design Guidelines[1], but is continuing with product improvements like making the concept of a "project" consistent across Bitbucket Cloud, Bitbucket Server & JIRA (and making it easier to map them together). Integration and distributed systems are traditionally a tough problem in software, but we have some of our best engineers on it, so you can expect the cross-product experience to keep getting better! [1]: https://design.atlassian.com/ https://design.atlassian.com/
    - noone1234567890 11y ago
      Hi, I tried to get that automated workflow process with pull requests going between my team's bitbucket and jira last year, but it didn't seem possible without other tools. Can you point me at any documentation that can help me get that set up? Thanks!
      - kannonboy 11y ago
        It varies a little bit on whether you're using the Cloud or Server variants of JIRA & Bitbucket. The blow-by-blow Cloud integration guide is here: https://confluence.atlassian.com/jiracloud/getting-started-with-bitbucket-and-jira-cloud-744720795.html https://confluence.atlassian.com/jiracloud/getting-started-w... Feel free to drop me a line if you run into strife, my email is in my HN profile info.
- nikolay 11y ago
  I've maintained almost the full Atlassian suite for about 2 years. Yes, they are hard to install and maintain, each product is different, but once you have things set up and working, it's solid.
  - whorleater 11y ago
    Doesn't "hard to maintain" contradict the "once you have it set up and running"?
    - nikolay 11y ago
      Sorry, by "maintain" I mean "upgrading". Should've clarified!
    - nikolay 11y ago
      But, in general, Atlassian software is pretty solid. I doubt you can assume that the stability of Bitbucket is subpar, because their software, in general, is hard to install and upgrade. In fact, I think the pressure from their web properties will make their growing cloud services much easier to maintain.
0x0 11y ago
It's a shame the latest repo overview UI changes removed so many useful features like custom repo icons, last updated date, sorting etc. Please add votes for these issues: https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issues/12250/project-icon-overrides-repository-icon https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issues/12250/project-icon-... https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issues/12257/sort-dashboard-repositories-by-last https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issues/12257/sort-dashboar...
- sandGorgon 11y ago
  no diff between version. takes 4-5 clicks to go to source code view of a branch (1 click in github)
  - wylee 11y ago
    I just went to one of my repos on Bitbucket, and it only took me one click to get to the source for master and then another click to get to the source for another branch. You can also set up a project so the source is shown by default on the "landing page" instead of the overview. Edit: slight re-wording
    - sandGorgon 11y ago
      this is the exact bug I'm talking about - https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issues/7828/add-direct-link-to-browse-source-at https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issues/7828/add-direct-lin... or https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issues/3876/go-to-source-from-a-commit https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issues/3876/go-to-source-f... and this - https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issues/4779/ability-to-diff-between-any-two-commits https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issues/4779/ability-to-dif...
- rajksarkar 11y ago
  Thanks for the feedback. We've been listening. Expect to hear from us soon.
  - acemarke 11y ago
skeeterbug 11y ago
Bitbucket Server (Previously Stash) does not have the Omnibar. At least our version doesn't (4.3).
- kannonboy 11y ago
  Sadly not. There are a heap of keyboard shortcuts though (SHIFT-?).
btreecat 11y ago
What would truly be nice would be Hg support in their on site solution. Where is it at guys? We need Active Directory integration if we want to increase adoption of version control in our company.
- kannonboy 11y ago
  One of our PMs posted an update regarding the state of Hg in Bitbucket Server here: https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/BSERV-2469 https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/BSERV-2469
  - btreecat 11y ago
    Did they? According to the history that doesn't seem to be the case. Unless you mean the general post from Sept of last year? Really sad though, the largest Hg hosting provider _can't_ provide Hg hosting locally. But they can do git...
    - kannonboy 11y ago
      The general update in the issue description is the one I was referring to. The PMs do regularly review the open issues (and the roadmap) so please do add your comments/votes there! We're not anti-Hg, we just don't have a strong enough case to prioritize it in our Server offering just yet.
bigtones 11y ago
Omnibar is an awesome feature, with zero discoverability. There should be a UI queue in the header to drop it down.
- rmtew 11y ago
  cue
prophet_ 11y ago
I would trade all these features for a speedy fetch/pull/push any day.
andrewtian 11y ago
The sidebar icons are extremely confusing. GitHub has the upperhand on UX.
- kannonboy 11y ago
  Depending on your screen rez, the sidebar may be collapsed by default. Hit `[` (or click the `>>`) to pop it out to see descriptions alongside the icons.
cdnsteve 11y ago
Customize the UI looks great. That's something worth digging into. Re-organizing the layout, changing theme colours would be nice. I find the UX/interface of Bitbucket difficult.
- progressive_dad 11y ago
  I find the paradigm of "active" vs "merged" branches frustrating and obtuse as it has absolutely nothing to do with git. It just makes it confusing to find a feature branch I pushed without changes intending to work on it later. If that branch is based on a recently merged "development" for deploy my feature branch disappears. In fact, after a deploy development disappears. If I don't want to see a branch I will delete it.
edgesrazor 11y ago
> At Atlassian, one of our design principles is to gracefully reveal depth. Did anyone let the Jira team know? I love Jira, but the UI can be horribly clunky at times.
- draw_down 11y ago
  I almost couldn't go on reading when I saw that. Definitely had to cringe. Look, this company makes reasonably decent tools for the enterprise but I seriously don't get how they justify what they call UI design.
  - kannonboy 11y ago
    The design principles are an ideal that we're striving for, and while we're proud of the improvements that we've made over the last few years (seriously, look at JIRA 7 vs JIRA 4, 5, or 6) we're always looking for ways that we can do better. JIRA as a product pre-dates not only our design principles but also our first hire of a designer by a few years :) It's one of the most flexible tools in the industry and that (currently) comes with some attached complexity tax. We're continually making improvements to highlight happy paths, simplify onboarding, and even remove some obsolete or under-utilized features, to pare back that complexity. However it takes time and many iterations to get that right. Particularly, when you have to balance simplicity with the "power features" and flexibilty that many customers count on us for. If you have feedback on rough edges or clunkiness that affect you I'd love to hear it! My contact info is on my profile. If you'd like to read a bit more about Design @ Atlassian, our team posts pretty regularly over at on Medium. This one's a good read if you have a design bent: https://medium.com/designing-atlassian/product-to-platform-enabling-and-extending-your-customers-20ac48cf6f5a https://medium.com/designing-atlassian/product-to-platform-e...
- organsnyder 11y ago
  Hey, at least it's better than the Bamboo UI.
  - skeletonjelly 11y ago
fibo 11y ago
Actually, the space filling curve in the first video is called Peano Curve, not Hilbert Curve: see https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curva_di_Peano https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curva_di_Peano
- kannonboy 11y ago
  I think you may be on the wrong thread :)
skeletonjelly 11y ago
Finding it hard to trust anything they say after they dropped the latest Sourcetree release http://movingfulcrum.com/sourcetree-atlassians-most-epic-engineering-fail/ http://movingfulcrum.com/sourcetree-atlassians-most-epic-eng...

138 points by kannonboy 11y ago

How is binary files to "Snippets" different than a dropbox / s3 / slack link? I guess that there is some convenience factor (1 product), but given that binaries and snippets are not version controlled seems out of place.

kannonboy 11y ago
Actually, they are versioned. Each snippet is backed by a git repo (or hg, you can choose at creation time). You can clone it to work on it locally too, and push back just like a regular repo. More info here: https://confluence.atlassian.com/bitbucket/snippets-719095082.html https://confluence.atlassian.com/bitbucket/snippets-71909508...
- smileysteve 11y ago
  Thanks for the answer.

andreineculau 11y ago

Here's the 7th. Every Bitbucket Server admin has a double-digit long list of watched issues. And to go on, plenty dive into Atlassian, because of the ecosystem, but the ecosystem is not at all symbiotic i.e. the products are built separately, implement same functionality, same UI concepts in totally different ways. I know the link is not about the onpremise version but given the onpremise solutions' quality, bitbucket.org is well.. In the same bucket.

pc86 11y ago
I desperately wanted to use Atlassian products across the entire workflow at my last job, but it's just too much. Like you said, separately-built products implementing identical functionality, sort-of-similar-but-still-different UIs, it's maddening.
- kannonboy 11y ago
  We do have a good sized "fusion" team focusing on product integration these days. Their mandate is to not only smooth out the integration process, but also to build some pretty kick-ass features on top of it. For example, between Bitbucket and JIRA these days you can not only view the code changes that relate to issues (and vice versa), but you can also transition issues through your workflow automatically based on the state of your commits, branches, & pull requests. We're also working on unifying the experience across the products. This started with the Atlassian Design Guidelines[1], but is continuing with product improvements like making the concept of a "project" consistent across Bitbucket Cloud, Bitbucket Server & JIRA (and making it easier to map them together). Integration and distributed systems are traditionally a tough problem in software, but we have some of our best engineers on it, so you can expect the cross-product experience to keep getting better! [1]: https://design.atlassian.com/ https://design.atlassian.com/
  - noone1234567890 11y ago
    Hi, I tried to get that automated workflow process with pull requests going between my team's bitbucket and jira last year, but it didn't seem possible without other tools. Can you point me at any documentation that can help me get that set up? Thanks!
    - kannonboy 11y ago
      It varies a little bit on whether you're using the Cloud or Server variants of JIRA & Bitbucket. The blow-by-blow Cloud integration guide is here: https://confluence.atlassian.com/jiracloud/getting-started-with-bitbucket-and-jira-cloud-744720795.html https://confluence.atlassian.com/jiracloud/getting-started-w... Feel free to drop me a line if you run into strife, my email is in my HN profile info.
nikolay 11y ago
I've maintained almost the full Atlassian suite for about 2 years. Yes, they are hard to install and maintain, each product is different, but once you have things set up and working, it's solid.
- whorleater 11y ago
  Doesn't "hard to maintain" contradict the "once you have it set up and running"?
  - nikolay 11y ago
    Sorry, by "maintain" I mean "upgrading". Should've clarified!
  - nikolay 11y ago
    But, in general, Atlassian software is pretty solid. I doubt you can assume that the stability of Bitbucket is subpar, because their software, in general, is hard to install and upgrade. In fact, I think the pressure from their web properties will make their growing cloud services much easier to maintain.

0x0 11y ago

It's a shame the latest repo overview UI changes removed so many useful features like custom repo icons, last updated date, sorting etc. Please add votes for these issues: https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issues/12250/project-icon-overrides-repository-icon https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issues/12250/project-icon-... https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issues/12257/sort-dashboard-repositories-by-last https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issues/12257/sort-dashboar...

sandGorgon 11y ago
no diff between version. takes 4-5 clicks to go to source code view of a branch (1 click in github)
- wylee 11y ago
  I just went to one of my repos on Bitbucket, and it only took me one click to get to the source for master and then another click to get to the source for another branch. You can also set up a project so the source is shown by default on the "landing page" instead of the overview. Edit: slight re-wording
  - sandGorgon 11y ago
    this is the exact bug I'm talking about - https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issues/7828/add-direct-link-to-browse-source-at https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issues/7828/add-direct-lin... or https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issues/3876/go-to-source-from-a-commit https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issues/3876/go-to-source-f... and this - https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issues/4779/ability-to-diff-between-any-two-commits https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issues/4779/ability-to-dif...
rajksarkar 11y ago
Thanks for the feedback. We've been listening. Expect to hear from us soon.
- acemarke 11y ago

skeeterbug 11y ago

Bitbucket Server (Previously Stash) does not have the Omnibar. At least our version doesn't (4.3).

kannonboy 11y ago
Sadly not. There are a heap of keyboard shortcuts though (SHIFT-?).

btreecat 11y ago

What would truly be nice would be Hg support in their on site solution. Where is it at guys? We need Active Directory integration if we want to increase adoption of version control in our company.

kannonboy 11y ago
One of our PMs posted an update regarding the state of Hg in Bitbucket Server here: https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/BSERV-2469 https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/BSERV-2469
- btreecat 11y ago
  Did they? According to the history that doesn't seem to be the case. Unless you mean the general post from Sept of last year? Really sad though, the largest Hg hosting provider _can't_ provide Hg hosting locally. But they can do git...
  - kannonboy 11y ago
    The general update in the issue description is the one I was referring to. The PMs do regularly review the open issues (and the roadmap) so please do add your comments/votes there! We're not anti-Hg, we just don't have a strong enough case to prioritize it in our Server offering just yet.

bigtones 11y ago

Omnibar is an awesome feature, with zero discoverability. There should be a UI queue in the header to drop it down.

rmtew 11y ago
cue

prophet_ 11y ago

I would trade all these features for a speedy fetch/pull/push any day.

andrewtian 11y ago

The sidebar icons are extremely confusing. GitHub has the upperhand on UX.

kannonboy 11y ago
Depending on your screen rez, the sidebar may be collapsed by default. Hit `[` (or click the `>>`) to pop it out to see descriptions alongside the icons.

cdnsteve 11y ago

Customize the UI looks great. That's something worth digging into. Re-organizing the layout, changing theme colours would be nice. I find the UX/interface of Bitbucket difficult.

progressive_dad 11y ago
I find the paradigm of "active" vs "merged" branches frustrating and obtuse as it has absolutely nothing to do with git. It just makes it confusing to find a feature branch I pushed without changes intending to work on it later. If that branch is based on a recently merged "development" for deploy my feature branch disappears. In fact, after a deploy development disappears. If I don't want to see a branch I will delete it.

edgesrazor 11y ago

> At Atlassian, one of our design principles is to gracefully reveal depth. Did anyone let the Jira team know? I love Jira, but the UI can be horribly clunky at times.

draw_down 11y ago
I almost couldn't go on reading when I saw that. Definitely had to cringe. Look, this company makes reasonably decent tools for the enterprise but I seriously don't get how they justify what they call UI design.
- kannonboy 11y ago
  The design principles are an ideal that we're striving for, and while we're proud of the improvements that we've made over the last few years (seriously, look at JIRA 7 vs JIRA 4, 5, or 6) we're always looking for ways that we can do better. JIRA as a product pre-dates not only our design principles but also our first hire of a designer by a few years :) It's one of the most flexible tools in the industry and that (currently) comes with some attached complexity tax. We're continually making improvements to highlight happy paths, simplify onboarding, and even remove some obsolete or under-utilized features, to pare back that complexity. However it takes time and many iterations to get that right. Particularly, when you have to balance simplicity with the "power features" and flexibilty that many customers count on us for. If you have feedback on rough edges or clunkiness that affect you I'd love to hear it! My contact info is on my profile. If you'd like to read a bit more about Design @ Atlassian, our team posts pretty regularly over at on Medium. This one's a good read if you have a design bent: https://medium.com/designing-atlassian/product-to-platform-enabling-and-extending-your-customers-20ac48cf6f5a https://medium.com/designing-atlassian/product-to-platform-e...
organsnyder 11y ago
Hey, at least it's better than the Bamboo UI.
- skeletonjelly 11y ago

fibo 11y ago

Actually, the space filling curve in the first video is called Peano Curve, not Hilbert Curve: see https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curva_di_Peano https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curva_di_Peano

kannonboy 11y ago
I think you may be on the wrong thread :)

skeletonjelly 11y ago

Finding it hard to trust anything they say after they dropped the latest Sourcetree release http://movingfulcrum.com/sourcetree-atlassians-most-epic-engineering-fail/ http://movingfulcrum.com/sourcetree-atlassians-most-epic-eng...